Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

[vurt]

https://youtu.be/DBqdnujBSpI

[andypryce]

Reaper will be sold in IKEA
Ableton will release Live 11 and have some sort of bounce in place but not MPE or comping yet but will be considering it.
Logic 10.14 will have more drummer photos but won't update EXS 24 and Ultrabeat yet.
Cubase 15 will come with gazillion TB content that no one will ever use.

[EnochLight]

Everything at your fingertips. Futuristic MIDI controllers. Virtual instruments recreating every conceivable instrument out there. Want an Epiphone or a Strat? Sure, load the preset, it's there. Want a string section or a woodwinds section? No problem, there it is. Want to set up a complete virtual orchestra? Consider it done!

Stuff like that will be commonplace.

Now, even the older artists will still be pumping out music. That won't change. What will change is how easy it will be to put those ideas in your head right to the music making AI/instrument setup.

Strangely enough, everything in your post already exists (I mean, except for the “AI” thing - but even that exists in some capacity with intelligent metering and learning algorithms in some plugins like iZotope)...

[HunterKiller]

To summarize:

Even more abundance, software wise.
Lots of AI.
Lots of subscriptions in less open systems.

Too easy to create songs <-- while --> Almost impossible to even get noticed.

Too many people want to create <-- while --> Too few want to listen what others produce (with the help of AI).

We've already passed the hey days of music production.

We'll be living in the digital age of plenty where we can't be sure if a human or AI created a song.

Expect the reappraisal of live music. Acoustic live music in particular. You can't fool it's created by (the help of) a AI DAW!

The embrace of AI is pretty much anti-music, as music's whole purpose is to express emotion and a non-intellectual aspect of human beings that is impossible to capture with tangible/visible forms of communication such as writing, film, architecture...

As a machine is emotionless, AI creating structures which should only be created by humans is anti-music, as it is anti-human. It defeats the whole point from the foundation.
It doesn't matter if it can mimic human behavior perfectly, who cares about that!

(The test of life is not whether machines can act human, but whether humans can transcend their corrupt nature and become good. That won't happen through machines, as it just adds another layer of seeming complexity, which is the final distraction and really the doom of humankind. The human body is actually far more complex than anything humans have ever created, so combining machine with flesh is actually going back in the direction of primitivism.)

When things become to easy to do, it defeats the point of life. Life was meant to be a test, it's what determines character - who is truly behind the flesh. Taking that away, in every sphere of life actually subverts humans further, because it gives power to their corruption.

So even having AI help you with you composition is taking away from what you ARE, who you are, and what you are trying to say and how you say it. You are no longer a musician, but a computer fiddler, you no longer have any skill, to demonstrate which comes from you, as everyone else can do the same. In life one should struggle: you should battle with yourself and have to sacrifice yourself in order to gain. It's what makes you stronger, and the way you do it, is what determines who you are and what you (can) become.

Those deluded by technology will push in the direction of making humans less human and more machine-like, so that one simply CANNOT live in society without the technology around and in them, and this has already seen been seen in advertising, where soft-put downs are used for people using older technology or ways, as a way to get people to move on and accept new technology and new ways of doing things. All the while decreasing human uniqueness by homogenizing everything and everyone, so that no dissenting voices are even able to be heard, in a surveillance society.

As music is supposed to represents the core essence of who one is without defining it in a graspable sense, what will happen when what is supposed to exist and live in a non-intellectual, non-standardized realm, becomes reduced to easy mathematical formulas, social-laws, profit (because you belong to something or are connected up to it), and worldly fashions?

It's the death of true art. What remains is an sick environment where all are screaming for attention, and the "art" which is no longer art, becomes grotesque and non-beneficial to anyone - an expression of the suppression of humanity and the liberation of corruption.

[vurt]

To summarize:

Even more abundance, software wise.
Lots of AI.
Lots of subscriptions in less open systems.

Too easy to create songs <-- while --> Almost impossible to even get noticed.

Too many people want to create <-- while --> Too few want to listen what others produce (with the help of AI).

We've already passed the hey days of music production.

We'll be living in the digital age of plenty where we can't be sure if a human or AI created a song.

Expect the reappraisal of live music. Acoustic live music in particular. You can't fool it's created by (the help of) a AI DAW!

The embrace of AI is pretty much anti-music, as music's whole purpose is to express emotion and a non-intellectual aspect of human beings that is impossible to capture with tangible/visible forms of communication such as writing, film, architecture...

As a machine is emotionless, AI creating structures which should only be created by humans is anti-music, as it is anti-human. It defeats the whole point from the foundation.
It doesn't matter if it can mimic human behavior perfectly, who cares about that!

(The test of life is not whether machines can act human, but whether humans can transcend their corrupt nature and become good. That won't happen through machines, as it just adds another layer of seeming complexity, which is the final distraction and really the doom of humankind. The human body is actually far more complex than anything humans have ever created, so combining machine with flesh is actually going back in the direction of primitivism.)

When things become to easy to do, it defeats the point of life. Life was meant to be a test, it's what determines character - who is truly behind the flesh. Taking that away, in every sphere of life actually subverts humans further, because it gives power to their corruption.

So even having AI help you with you composition is taking away from what you ARE, who you are, and what you are trying to say and how you say it. You are no longer a musician, but a computer fiddler, you no longer have any skill, to demonstrate which comes from you, as everyone else can do the same. In life one should struggle: you should battle with yourself and have to sacrifice yourself in order to gain. It's what makes you stronger, and the way you do it, is what determines who you are and what you (can) become.

Those deluded by technology will push in the direction of making humans less human and more machine-like, so that one simply CANNOT live in society without the technology around and in them, and this has already seen been seen in advertising, where soft-put downs are used for people using older technology or ways, as a way to get people to move on and accept new technology and new ways of doing things. All the while decreasing human uniqueness by homogenizing everything and everyone, so that no dissenting voices are even able to be heard, in a surveillance society.

As music is supposed to represents the core essence of who one is without defining it in a graspable sense, what will happen when what is supposed to exist and live in a non-intellectual, non-standardized realm, becomes reduced to easy mathematical formulas, social-laws, profit (because you belong to something or are connected up to it), and worldly fashions?

It's the death of true art. What remains is an sick environment where all are screaming for attention, and the "art" which is no longer art, becomes grotesque and non-beneficial to anyone - an expression of the suppression of humanity and the liberation of corruption.

where do you stand on sex-bots?

[vurt]

https://youtu.be/orBH_Qnw3eY

[jancivil]

We'll be living in the digital age of plenty where we can't be sure if a human or AI created a song.

Expect the reappraisal of live music. Acoustic live music in particular. You can't fool it's created by (the help of) a AI DAW!

This is just laughable. Ludicrous really. I have to wonder if you have the first clue about what goes into real music. No, if you really did you wouldn't have this particular fantasy.

An AI to be comparable AT ALL to a human will have to... let's consider Rachel in the movie Blade Runner.
Note well that the memories are artificial; but for purposes of arguing this, we'll go with the belief in the memories is the same as having real memories. When do you think this is going to come to pass? What has to happen in the evolution of technology? Specifically. This is just an assertion. Where is the support for this? And why do you want this to be true?
Frankly that's quite suspect afaic.

In addition to this, the AI composer vis a vis a human being will have to have interactions with musicians over a lifetime and a base of knowledge equal to a *real* composer; and lacking a sense of touch is going to be lacking. Don't forget the goalpost is "we" can't_be_sure. In general we're convinced. Just as a simple problem, "we're" going to be convinced by the vibrato of a robot? What has to happen for this to be the case. The years of experience and practice, real technique and an actual fully formed personality, to begin with. How many lines of code do you figure this comes out to?

Why would there be a "reappraisal" of acoustic live music? Because AI. You need more than a brain to get your touch together on a stringed instrument; you need all kinds of physical apparatus to be a wind player. Do you actually entertain a fantasy of a robot doing this any time soon? The feedback from touch on an instrument is extremely complex. This is supposedly going to be in the realm of digital binary code? When? How? What of the problems here are you currently studying?
Show your work.

Pure fantasy. Again, why would one want this to be true? This strikes me as the babble of someone that believes tech is already replacing real action, the *Producah* mentality of laziness and weak affect and an impoverished agency, to be perfectly honest.

[jancivil]

*age of plenty*, bullshit. You're indicating emptiness and death.

[DJ Warmonger]

As a machine is emotionless, AI creating structures which should only be created by humans is anti-music, as it is anti-human. It defeats the whole point from the foundation.

Uhh, such music-creating AI would be beneficial for its creators offering some kind of music service. At the same time it will replace a need for music producers or composers/writers who want to express themselves (but not live performers).
It's the same argument as if autonomous cars stop humans from the pleasure of driving, even if their main purpose is just to make travel more convenient and more economical.

[jonljacobi]

I say let's make the world safe for humanity and remove humanity. Let the machines run and be everything. (I'm being facetious)

Personally, I saw the AI commercial featuring Carlsburg beer and it made me not want to drink it. I'm dead serious.

In terms of creative satisfaction or accomplishment, pressing a button ain't gonna' get you there. Which is why I don't understand why anyone would want to use a composing engine. I have more respect for the bum on the street with the guitar he can't really play.

But you're right. If artificially composed music will make someone money, it will be a fact of life. I've already gotten pitches for articles on such stuff. Sad but true.

[vurt]

when the ai can suggest relevant items to me when purchasing things, then ill worry about ai taking over.

"you viewed tents. are you going camping? maybe youd like to also buy this ornate hat and umbrella stand made from narwhal tusks?" no, not really.

[dune_rave]

Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?
-After the Robots take over the planet, all daws will be destroyed.

[reggie1979]

Everything will be rap so like today, it doesn't matter where they'll be or which one you use.

[reggie1979]

Which reminds me, it's surprising that there are not more "rap packs" talked about. They'd have about 9 words so you can build the next big hit

[vurt]

fo sho!
hit me!
one time... two time..
wave your hands in the air!
blunt
bling
cheddar/bread/dough
bitchez/hoz

all included in the new rap pack from people stuck in the 90s