midi control of VST plugin in Logic 5.5 problem

[lyssipos]

Here's what I'm trying to do:
I'm running Logic 5.5 on WinXP along with NI's Guitar Rig as a VST plugin. Guitar Rig has an effect (Whammy) that I want to control with my expression pedal. I'm told Logic 5.5 doesn't support MIDI information to plugins, is there any way I can do this?
When I run Guitar Rig in stand alone mode i works perfectly.
Thanks,
lyssipos

[brok landers]

Here's what I'm trying to do:
I'm running Logic 5.5 on WinXP along with NI's Guitar Rig as a VST plugin. Guitar Rig has an effect (Whammy) that I want to control with my expression pedal. I'm told Logic 5.5 doesn't support MIDI information to plugins, is there any way I can do this?
When I run Guitar Rig in stand alone mode i works perfectly.
Thanks,
lyssipos

who told you that ? its possible.
all you have to do is select "midi" right under the output assignment-slot in that particular audio/input/instrument/aux/bus/output-object.
then press record on that track and spin the sliders.
it will be recorded then as standard midi controllers.

if the plugin provides midi-automation at all, wich unfortunately not every plugin does. dunno about guitar rig does.

reg,

[lyssipos]

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately you didn't understand me:
I'm talking about controlling a plugin (not VSTi) with an expression pedal. Not trying to record automation data.
Guitar Rig is fully MIDI controlable, the problem I'm facing is that Logic doesn't seem to support MIDI information being sent to plugins (it does to VST instruments). Recording automation data is another story, that's no problem at all because Logic will record plugin automation when you control something with the mouse while recording.
It's a strange problem, I don't understand why the Logic people didn't think of this.
-L

[Andywanders]

Yes. It's possible to control VSTi paramaters in Logic with MIDI CCs. But it's not that... erm... Logical.

There have been several threads about this at KVR. Here's one...

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 175#725175

And here's another...

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

You should find the answers there.

Once you've sussed it, it's a piece of cake.

[paradiddle]

Maybe this can help.

http://www.omega-art.com/logic/env/autodemo.zip

and check at swiftkick.com for more environnements.

[brok landers]

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately you didn't understand me:
I'm talking about controlling a plugin (not VSTi) with an expression pedal.

oh, ok ...
well, there are several possibilities ...
to be true, too much to be explained here as it strongly depends on your setup, but the basics :
in your enviroment-window you basicly have to route the incoming controller signal into the audio objct of your mixer. this is done via a channelsplitter (enviromentwindow > new > channelsplitter).
put a cable from the channelsplitter to the desired mixerobject. if the plugin`s parameter doesnt respond to the controller you send, you have to transform the signal coming from the channelsplitter
into the desired controllernumber via a transformer object (enviromentwindow > new > transformer).

like i said, this is _one_ way to do it ... but i think this is how it should work ...
sorry for the missunderstanding ...

reg,

[lyssipos]

I want to thank all of you for your help. I've got my morning cut out for me now
It's funny how something so simple has to be a science project.

[The Guyver]

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately you didn't understand me:
I'm talking about controlling a plugin (not VSTi) with an expression pedal.

oh, ok ...
well, there are several possibilities ...
to be true, too much to be explained here as it strongly depends on your setup, but the basics :
in your enviroment-window you basicly have to route the incoming controller signal into the audio objct of your mixer. this is done via a channelsplitter (enviromentwindow > new > channelsplitter).
put a cable from the channelsplitter to the desired mixerobject. if the plugin`s parameter doesnt respond to the controller you send, you have to transform the signal coming from the channelsplitter
into the desired controllernumber via a transformer object (enviromentwindow > new > transformer).

like i said, this is _one_ way to do it ... but i think this is how it should work ...
sorry for the missunderstanding ...

reg,

Hi, I'm experiencing the same situation here. Tried the channelsplitter and transformer objects: they work fine, except for a little frustrating thing. Guitar Rig has 307 faders and I can only address 127 with this technique. Is there any way to use 14bits faders here?

[brok landers]

Hi, I'm experiencing the same situation here. Tried the channelsplitter and transformer objects: they work fine, except for a little frustrating thing. Guitar Rig has 307 faders and I can only address 127 with this technique. Is there any way to use 14bits faders here?

unfortunately no way (someone please correct me if i`m wrong) ... the problem is, that not the plugins themself are midicontrolled by logic, but the "pluginslots", therefore the whole audioobject has only 128 controllers left, and they are splitted to all "pluginslots" ...
that also has another problem in result :
if an insert-plugin has more than a slot-specified count of parameters, the slot "grabs" the whole ammount of controllers that are needed for the parameters of the plugin, therefor the next slot (plugin) often cannot be automated ...

reg,

[The Guyver]

Hi! This is an auto-update. I have found a way to make Guitar Rig work in Logic 5.5. I had to use an armed audio track recording input 1 with its out set to outputs 3-4. Loop externally output 3-4 to input 3-4. Place Guitar Rig as a VST instrument with an I/O object as an insert (and arm this track also for recording ands set its output to No Output). Set I/O's input to 3-4 and its outputs to 1-2 and voilà! I have a M-Audio Delta44 with 4 ins & 4 outs. I'm still working on a way to do this without the external looping... Hope it helps I know I'm having a ball recording my guitar with my FCB1010 now!