The final old instrumental.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-0hMcN_fgk
jcjr--Youtube uploads
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- KVRAF
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- 3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN
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- KVRAF
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- 3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN
Oh what the heck, some creaky old vocal tunes with cobwebs hanging off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7_sWp4s70M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7_sWp4s70M
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- KVRAF
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- 3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN
Rinse and repeat...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prPB1ZGHPys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prPB1ZGHPys
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- KVRAF
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- 3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN
Yadda yadda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzEJ_sd-30E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzEJ_sd-30E
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- KVRAF
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- 3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN
By the way on these ancient vocal ditties lest no one be misled that it is me singing. Even a sick moose would candidly advise, "Dude, you REALLY ought to never sing. Not even one note."
Credits are in the youtube page comments. Songs were written by me and David A Gray. Typical musician lineup:
Vocals: Tim Strickland
Guitars: David A Gray and Tim Strickland
Drums/Percussion: Bob Courter
Keyboards and KeyBass: James Chandler Jr
Not all songs have Sax but all the sax work is Randy Burt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOI3Y1-xBgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4voHjssnW8Q
Credits are in the youtube page comments. Songs were written by me and David A Gray. Typical musician lineup:
Vocals: Tim Strickland
Guitars: David A Gray and Tim Strickland
Drums/Percussion: Bob Courter
Keyboards and KeyBass: James Chandler Jr
Not all songs have Sax but all the sax work is Randy Burt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOI3Y1-xBgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4voHjssnW8Q
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- KVRAF
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- 3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72T-ZL6qaeo
It was Mac Quadra 700 with Digital Performer (or maybe Studio Vision) with only 4 tracks max digital audio via crude Digidesign Audiomedia II card. Locked to 8 track analog tape for 6 more tape audio tracks. Two tracks unavoidably used up by 1 track of SMPTE synced with MOTU MTPII MIDI interface and 1 guard track.
"Live" MIDI playback from computer, plus the digital audio tracks and analog tape tracks, analog mixed real time to 2 track DAT digital tape. No fader automation to speak of so any dynamic mix changes had to be done "real time" just enough during actual realtime mixing to the DAT machine. How crude. Put the sequencer program in play, rewind the 8 track tape machine to before the song start, then when ya push play on the tape deck the sequencer auto-locates to the tape SMPTE stripe and starts playing along.
So anyway the speed of the 8 track tape wasn't as stable as I'd like, and the Mac would maintain lock by speeding up/slowing down the digital audio and adjusting the MIDI track playback tempo on the fly. On a couple of spots the pitch shifting from syncing the drifting tape speed caused more "on the edge of out of tune" than desirable. The ending slide guitar solo on Land Of Strangers was played in-tune, but the crude SMPTE sync time-stretching-via-pitch-shift which was the only thing possible back then, made the ending slide guitar "just a little out" or on the other hand if pitch issues annoy a person, quite a bit more than "just a little bit out" but that was the best that could be done about it. Playing the hand one is dealt.
In some of the other songs there are "out of tune spots" which I believe are to be blamed to unstable tape speed plus bass-ackwards early SMPTE sync implementation, rather than track performed out of tune, but the ending slide guitar here is the most egregious example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch0kU57slHE
It was Mac Quadra 700 with Digital Performer (or maybe Studio Vision) with only 4 tracks max digital audio via crude Digidesign Audiomedia II card. Locked to 8 track analog tape for 6 more tape audio tracks. Two tracks unavoidably used up by 1 track of SMPTE synced with MOTU MTPII MIDI interface and 1 guard track.
"Live" MIDI playback from computer, plus the digital audio tracks and analog tape tracks, analog mixed real time to 2 track DAT digital tape. No fader automation to speak of so any dynamic mix changes had to be done "real time" just enough during actual realtime mixing to the DAT machine. How crude. Put the sequencer program in play, rewind the 8 track tape machine to before the song start, then when ya push play on the tape deck the sequencer auto-locates to the tape SMPTE stripe and starts playing along.
So anyway the speed of the 8 track tape wasn't as stable as I'd like, and the Mac would maintain lock by speeding up/slowing down the digital audio and adjusting the MIDI track playback tempo on the fly. On a couple of spots the pitch shifting from syncing the drifting tape speed caused more "on the edge of out of tune" than desirable. The ending slide guitar solo on Land Of Strangers was played in-tune, but the crude SMPTE sync time-stretching-via-pitch-shift which was the only thing possible back then, made the ending slide guitar "just a little out" or on the other hand if pitch issues annoy a person, quite a bit more than "just a little bit out" but that was the best that could be done about it. Playing the hand one is dealt.
In some of the other songs there are "out of tune spots" which I believe are to be blamed to unstable tape speed plus bass-ackwards early SMPTE sync implementation, rather than track performed out of tune, but the ending slide guitar here is the most egregious example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch0kU57slHE
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- KVRAF
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- 3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN
Hoary Wastrel Irrelevant to the Beat-Making Game!
Couple of years ago, importing the old "original unmodified" mixes from DAT to Reaper to attempt remastering.
Riff Raff didn't have LOW bass to EQ one way or the other. Rolling off rather strong between 60 and 80 Hz. Wanted more bottom down to 40 Hz.
I never heard a subharnomic generator much good for anything. Tried an experiment--
__1 Made a mono copy of the stereo mix and strongly low-passed the copy around 160 Hz.
__2 Then dropped the mono copy an octave via Elastique
__3 Post-lowpass-filtered the transposed copy around 80 Hz so that the new "synthesized sub" part would theoretically not compete with the bass-shy original mix.
__4 Mixed "just a little" of the synthesized sub with the original mix to add a bit of bottom octave.
"Real good" transposers that I'm aware of, especially with radical settings, will "shuffle time" a bit in order to sound good to the ear. It is hard to make a high-quality transposer/stretcher that sounds good to the ear and also retains perfect timing over large shifts.
On the synthesized sub, every kick and bass note was "a little bit time shifted" compared to the original mix. Each note was time-shifted just a little bit, each in a different amount and different direction.
Therefore in-between steps 3 and 4, I split the synthesized sub into individual notes and hand-edited each note to best-line-up in time along with the original mix. Even time-edited, the phase is a little odd. That is why I filtered the synthesized sub so that it does not significantly overlap the bass frequency range in the original mix-- To avoid phase cancellations.
THe result only sounds successful about half the times I listen. Sometimes the result sounds not so bad but other times it sounds not so good.
On the other hand the original bass-shy mix wasn't pleasing either. Mostly to be blamed on the song key and choice of bass notes. The original MIDI parts were done in a different key but had to be transposed for the singer. I should have been smart enough to re-do the MIDI bass track after the MIDI parts were transposed. To "fold over" the riffs and play them lower. The bass riffs were probably "properly folded" for whatever was the original key before it got transposed for the final tracking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIAqgrzdgvU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svVof8XwJ8
Couple of years ago, importing the old "original unmodified" mixes from DAT to Reaper to attempt remastering.
Riff Raff didn't have LOW bass to EQ one way or the other. Rolling off rather strong between 60 and 80 Hz. Wanted more bottom down to 40 Hz.
I never heard a subharnomic generator much good for anything. Tried an experiment--
__1 Made a mono copy of the stereo mix and strongly low-passed the copy around 160 Hz.
__2 Then dropped the mono copy an octave via Elastique
__3 Post-lowpass-filtered the transposed copy around 80 Hz so that the new "synthesized sub" part would theoretically not compete with the bass-shy original mix.
__4 Mixed "just a little" of the synthesized sub with the original mix to add a bit of bottom octave.
"Real good" transposers that I'm aware of, especially with radical settings, will "shuffle time" a bit in order to sound good to the ear. It is hard to make a high-quality transposer/stretcher that sounds good to the ear and also retains perfect timing over large shifts.
On the synthesized sub, every kick and bass note was "a little bit time shifted" compared to the original mix. Each note was time-shifted just a little bit, each in a different amount and different direction.
Therefore in-between steps 3 and 4, I split the synthesized sub into individual notes and hand-edited each note to best-line-up in time along with the original mix. Even time-edited, the phase is a little odd. That is why I filtered the synthesized sub so that it does not significantly overlap the bass frequency range in the original mix-- To avoid phase cancellations.
THe result only sounds successful about half the times I listen. Sometimes the result sounds not so bad but other times it sounds not so good.
On the other hand the original bass-shy mix wasn't pleasing either. Mostly to be blamed on the song key and choice of bass notes. The original MIDI parts were done in a different key but had to be transposed for the singer. I should have been smart enough to re-do the MIDI bass track after the MIDI parts were transposed. To "fold over" the riffs and play them lower. The bass riffs were probably "properly folded" for whatever was the original key before it got transposed for the final tracking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIAqgrzdgvU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svVof8XwJ8
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- KVRAF
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- 3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN
The last two moldy oldies fit to print:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPp6nmiuDZA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ1JQzNp7T4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPp6nmiuDZA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ1JQzNp7T4
