Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

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jjpscott01
KVRist
140 posts since 17 Jun, 2012 from East Coast US

Post Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:09 pm

After the update I'm experiencing MASSIVE improvements in performance...Especially in larger projects and ones using lots of VI's. As a matter of fact im getting better performance now in Reason than in Studio One, Cubase, or FL studio using the same VST's which is crazy. Reaper is still performance king but Reason is the most fun to work inside of so this performance boost is stellar in my opinion. I'm on windows 10 with a modest I5 8400 for what its worth.
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Psuper
KVRist
201 posts since 3 May, 2018

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:09 am

I'm glad to hear it, but that's the entire point of buffers.
Reason needs to DAW: Props develop the back-end, SDK, performance, options, GUI (no one else can). RE devs develop the now-expanding playground, we choose the rides. If Props insists on making devices, put them in the RE shop. All problems solved.

Trancit
KVRAF
2090 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:06 am

THE INTRANCER wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:35 pm
You'll be asking xbitz these questions then because these are his results... :clown:
Oh, ok... :party:

kuniklo
KVRAF
2862 posts since 28 Jan, 2004 from Da Nang, Vietnam

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:40 pm

UI is still slow as molasses on my MacBook 2018 running 10.14. If anything it seems a bit worse. Dropping to low res mode helps a bit but I don't have these issues on Bitwig, Logic or Live.

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antic604
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2335 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:55 pm

Psuper wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:09 am
I'm glad to hear it, but that's the entire point of buffers.
Oh, don't be like that. Most people understand that 10.3 is what 9.5 should've been but wasn't for VSTs, but we're still glad we got there. It's sort of like swapping a CPU for a model that's 2 generations younger for free :)

What sort of bugs me more, is that the alleged reason why RE performance has improved isn't the same as for VSTs (they still run on 64 samples regardless of audio buffer settings). It's supposedly because of "general optimisations and code refactoring" which really should've been just done ages ago, because Props have 100% control over the environment :(

But enough criticism. Let's celebrate :party:
Bitwig 2 // Reason 10 // Cubase Pro 10 @ Lenovo Y730 15'' i7-8750h
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other stuff - Psytrance in Bitwig Studio tutorial

Psuper
KVRist
201 posts since 3 May, 2018

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:05 pm

antic604 wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:55 pm
Psuper wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:09 am
I'm glad to hear it, but that's the entire point of buffers.
Oh, don't be like that. Most people understand that 10.3 is what 9.5 should've been but wasn't for VSTs, but we're still glad we got there. It's sort of like swapping a CPU for a model that's 2 generations younger for free :)

What sort of bugs me more, is that the alleged reason why RE performance has improved isn't the same as for VSTs (they still run on 64 samples regardless of audio buffer settings). It's supposedly because of "general optimisations and code refactoring" which really should've been just done ages ago, because Props have 100% control over the environment :(

But enough criticism. Let's celebrate :party:
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad and hopeful that v11 is something I'd upgrade to.

However I've been a Reason fannie and constructive criticizer long enough to see behind the veil -- Props have a history of delaying or out outright stating they won't add necessary things, then adding them when their customers have damn near given up.

Years of no Audio in their DAW... then added "Omg greatest ever!"
Years of no VST in their DAW... then added "Omg greatest ever!"
Poor performance in their DAW... then added "Omg greatest ever!"

The problem is there's a whole lot of X missing in their DAW, some of which a vast majority of their customers have been asking for forever, like all the prior examples.

I get it though, and am still fannie enough to stick around.
Reason needs to DAW: Props develop the back-end, SDK, performance, options, GUI (no one else can). RE devs develop the now-expanding playground, we choose the rides. If Props insists on making devices, put them in the RE shop. All problems solved.

jens
KVRAF
19392 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:40 am

I totally love Reason, but yeah, there's really some important basics missing. My hope is on V11 too.

starflakeprj
KVRian
984 posts since 28 Feb, 2015

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:31 am

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starflakeprj
KVRian
984 posts since 28 Feb, 2015

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:33 am

Psuper wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:05 pm
The problem is there's a whole lot of X missing in their DAW, some of which a vast majority of their customers have been asking for forever, like all the prior examples.
There are a whole lot of X missing in other DAWs that Reason have, as well. Why do Reason need to have everything all other DAWs have, when other DAWs do not have all the features Reason has?
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Studio One 4.5 | Reason 10.4 | Bitwig Studio 2.43 | Reaper 5.978 | Renoise 3.1 | FL Studio 20.1 | 500+ VSTs | 200+ Rack Extensions

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Jace-BeOS
KVRAF
5044 posts since 7 Jan, 2005 from Corporate States of America

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:08 am

Good to hear performance was improved. I’m still waiting for the GUI to be properly rescaled. Haven’t upgraded since version 7 as a result of this utterly ignored issue. I’m not even running on a retina display and it bothers me how small the rack devices are. I will certainly not upgrade if they finally scale it up and replace all the lovely design with flat mimalist bullshit...
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jens
KVRAF
19392 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:09 am

starflakeprj wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:33 am
Psuper wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:05 pm
The problem is there's a whole lot of X missing in their DAW, some of which a vast majority of their customers have been asking for forever, like all the prior examples.
There are a whole lot of X missing in other DAWs that Reason have, as well. Why do Reason need to have everything all other DAWs have, when other DAWs do not have all the features Reason has?

It's about absolute basics that each and all of the other DAWs have.

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antic604
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2335 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:51 am

jens wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:09 am
starflakeprj wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:33 am
Psuper wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:05 pm
The problem is there's a whole lot of X missing in their DAW, some of which a vast majority of their customers have been asking for forever, like all the prior examples.
There are a whole lot of X missing in other DAWs that Reason have, as well. Why do Reason need to have everything all other DAWs have, when other DAWs do not have all the features Reason has?

It's about absolute basics that each and all of the other DAWs have.
Like what for example?
Bitwig 2 // Reason 10 // Cubase Pro 10 @ Lenovo Y730 15'' i7-8750h
my music - https://soundcloud.com/antic604
other stuff - Psytrance in Bitwig Studio tutorial

Psuper
KVRist
201 posts since 3 May, 2018

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:20 am

antic604 wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:51 am
jens wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:09 am
starflakeprj wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:33 am
Psuper wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:05 pm
The problem is there's a whole lot of X missing in their DAW, some of which a vast majority of their customers have been asking for forever, like all the prior examples.
There are a whole lot of X missing in other DAWs that Reason have, as well. Why do Reason need to have everything all other DAWs have, when other DAWs do not have all the features Reason has?

It's about absolute basics that each and all of the other DAWs have.
Like what for example?
Like the countless ones I creatively talked about over in RT that I won't waste my time putting any more thought into, as well as the countless feature threads that still pop up every month or so - from the death by 1000 cuts to all the more recent ones.

Just one example around here everyone keeps screaming about 4k assets or scalable gui, which I think is a complete waste of time, but its something neverending that keeps popping up.

Anyway Antic you are on these forums enough that I know you don't need me to point those threads out to you. Maybe Starflake could use some personal research, but I don't think you do.
Reason needs to DAW: Props develop the back-end, SDK, performance, options, GUI (no one else can). RE devs develop the now-expanding playground, we choose the rides. If Props insists on making devices, put them in the RE shop. All problems solved.

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antic604
KVRAF
2335 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:27 am

Psuper wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:20 am
Anyway Antic you are on these forums enough that I know you don't need me to point those threads out to you. Maybe Starflake could use some personal research, but I don't think you do.
He's talking about "absolute basics" and of those all I can think of are track folders and automation curves, but - to be frank - Pro Tools still doesn't have the former and Cubase only got the latter in v10...
Bitwig 2 // Reason 10 // Cubase Pro 10 @ Lenovo Y730 15'' i7-8750h
my music - https://soundcloud.com/antic604
other stuff - Psytrance in Bitwig Studio tutorial

starflakeprj
KVRian
984 posts since 28 Feb, 2015

Re: Reason 10.3 is out ...and it's awesome!

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:39 pm

What Reason lacks comparing to other DAWs it's making up for in creativity and modularity.

= I'm having much more fun in Reason than in any other DAW, despite its lacking of "basic features".
Intel Core i7-4930K @ 4.1GHz | 64GB DDR3 | 3 x Nvidia GTX 780 | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit | Arturia AudioFuse | M-Audio Code61
Studio One 4.5 | Reason 10.4 | Bitwig Studio 2.43 | Reaper 5.978 | Renoise 3.1 | FL Studio 20.1 | 500+ VSTs | 200+ Rack Extensions

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