Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

[telecode]

I would argue that at some point we will no longer be able to distinguish.

Until musicians start to become creative again... AI can easily produce a given style. 90% of todays music produced by humans has a boringly lack of creativity. AI will have no problem to produce that shit easily...

...and that is why my stuff is weird as hell. no AI would touch it and no one could listen to it.

[mgw38]

I would argue that at some point we will no longer be able to distinguish.

Until musicians start to become creative again... AI can easily produce a given style. 90% of todays music produced by humans has a boringly lack of creativity. AI will have no problem to produce that shit easily...

If you are talking about the AI we see in music production today, then yes. If you talk about the AI that is in the research labs today and should pop up in music production within the next decade, then no. AlphaGo won because it went beyond the way humans play Go. It did not reproduce anything.

[vurt]

on some of the radio shows i listen to theres "evidence" that the ai is already reading our minds and that we may already be living inside a vr world provided by the ai as it feeds on our data.
5g has nothing to do with the internet of things sheeple! it's the frequency the ai needs to read our minds

this post was made using neural link technologies no thumbs needed.

[jancivil]

"Reading your mind" reduced to an algorithm that draws a quasi-inference as to your interests as a consumer really is not being much of a futurist, is it?

As a thought experiment, we're just simulations in a program we're not equipped to detect is ok, I suppose but it's kind of tired in my view, and of what use except to try a leap out of the box or as though it's more 'woke'. We appear, however to have a consciousness and I would think extended use of LSD would be some indicator of what the mind might be capable of as a real creation engine.

AI as a musician, you're talking about what, a copy of the human mind? And pushing that until it's more or less comparable?
The thing I noticed by my late teens, and this is in all probability an outgrowth of taking LSD so many times, is that so many people *are* copies, replicas, a Mini-Me of one or both of their parents and constantly referring to their peers for mirroring... and a kind of a parrot, consisting of recordings played back selectively to suit situations. Kind of an artificial intelligence right there. Interrogate one to see where their thinking derives, and see if it's authentic thinking rather than a reproduction of something already programmed to begin with.

So per the remark "plenty", we're in a land o' plenty right now, but that future 'plenty' is what, more ways to reduce work and still "produce" ie., replicate something you didn't produce, but with the 'freedom' to satisfy a cookie cutter of your very own choosing and now you say 'here's my beat'?

Acoustic live performance will need be reassessed because supposedly a machine can be built to do what's already being done? As we won't be able to tell the difference. To assert that is really to reveal you think you have an answer to a question you don't understand at all.

Classical musicians are in a certain aspect technicians (cf., Zappa and 'the classical robots' [Ahead of Their Time 1968]), but it would be a mistake to say there is no creativity and no individuality in the performance of the mechanics, the trained 'robots' might not be real creators of music but the aspect of a personality is pretty clearly evident. You're be hard pressed to null one per the next. One day the mechanics of the human body might be nearly replicated and the thought experiment of Rachel in Blade Runner might be realized, and one day programmable. BUT the value of that is learning what we are. We're going to create a replicant. What in the replicant is an advancement of consciousness?
So that's futurism. A number of writers show they believe the failure of empathy means doom. What would be the areas of thought to where you would first of all, as a first problem, teach your creation the value in the abstract of 'the others'?

Once we are past that (I'm not optimistic in the first place as to the sustainability of the species), what would be the next step of evolution? I recognize getting past menial labor as an abstraction freeing the mind in terms of that wasted energy and in terms of removing a sort of degradation of consciousness; but when you eliminate the work of playing instruments, you're actually on a downward path as to your awareness, as I argued, of touch and sensitivity in the feedback and synergy with an instrument. A generation of people that have forgotten that, that's supposed to be more advanced?

This is a forum of maybe a majority of "electronic musicians" and there could even be some resistance in that type to consider this as a value system. So this is already in play I think. Pure abstraction, what is that? If you're going to program expression, should you not stay in touch with a real model?

[Acid Mitch]

The thing I noticed by my late teens, and this is in all probability an outgrowth of taking LSD so many times, is that so many people *are* copies, replicas, a Mini-Me of one or both of their parents and constantly referring to their peers for mirroring... and a kind of a parrot, consisting of recordings played back selectively to suit situations. Kind of an artificial intelligence right there.

I have 2 nieces. The younger one constantly copies the older one weather it’s a good idea to do so or not.
For instance, when the older one accidentally hurts herself the younger one will intentionally stub her toe or something and start crying also.If you ask why she did it she’ll be like “don’t know”.

[FapFilter]

I don't see AI necessarily as a bad thing with DAWs.
Automatic mixing/mastering within a few seconds on a professional level wouldn't be too bad a thing in my book, when the technology has advanced enough. Of course mixing/mastering engineers might see this differently, but i don't think the ability to mix by yourself will be removed, if one should be feeling too pampered by this.
Haven't tried either, but stuff like Gulfoss or the new iZotope offerings are already heading into this direction and don't seem to receive too devastating feelings towards them

[vurt]

regards replicants, i don't think were anywhere near that kind of tech in our lifetimes, as to be as indistinguishable from humans. sanctuary ai, are fairly close i guess, in a wax work doll sort of looks human, but outside of a photo you would know you where dealing with something non organic.
however, it is somewhat a selfish and selfless dream of mine that we would be there, as im sure you can appreciate jan, not for immortality, but for a more pain free existence. not to the point of numbness, again that's taking something way from the human experience, but enough so that i could do what other 45 year olds are doing, not be sat at home unable to walk further than the cornershop without crippling pain.
even things we are close to, there is actually a study at the moment using brainwaves to stimulate a voice chip, they've managed to get to actual sentences now too. think how that could have revolutionised science only a few years back, hawkings mind went places his body didn't have the time to communicate to us, if he could have published all his thoughts, who knows???
not to mention the non famous folk thse things could help if and when they do transpire.

but, as for my comment above, i may listen to those shows, but its more for amusement than any sort of actual information when guests claim theyre suing netflix for using their life stories as stranger things, getting praise in the comments
then an actual physicist talking about black holes gets trolled to feck.

its like we somehow woke in bizarro world, never mind a bloody simulation

although sometimes they do anger me, because they do seem to base their "evidence" on dystopian novels (well the films thereof mostly, im pretty sure none of them have ever read a f**king book) which some people as per the comments seem to believe, so the people these technologies could help will have anti trans-humanists to deal with, now that's bizzaro world!

[donkey tugger]

bizarro world

I like The Wedding Present, but wouldn't want to live in a society ruled by David Gedge.

[vurt]

bizarro world

I like The Wedding Present, but wouldn't want to live in a society ruled by David Gedge.

brassneck?

[vurt]

oh, i almost called in last night on one to complain.
when they stated "follow the white rabbit, that's always been a matrix reference and now its been coopted by q"

ffs you dickheads

[Tj Shredder]

I would argue that at some point we will no longer be able to distinguish.

Until musicians start to become creative again... AI can easily produce a given style. 90% of todays music produced by humans has a boringly lack of creativity. AI will have no problem to produce that shit easily...

If you are talking about the AI we see in music production today, then yes. If you talk about the AI that is in the research labs today and should pop up in music production within the next decade, then no. AlphaGo won because it went beyond the way humans play Go. It did not reproduce anything.

But it can only play Go, and can‘t talk about the joy of cooking spätzle or about love. AI has nothing to say in these areas for a lack of human experience. And there is also no need for it. Art is about sharing human experiences. AI can help to find a fitting chord, but will never know why you‘d need the opposite to express a feeling. If AI produced music would touch you, its kitsch by definition, an emotional lie...

[vurt]

robot chefs!
did you see that one a while back?
came up with all kinds of weird shit recipes, no thanks. give me a chef that can taste his creations first.
especially the ones containing various nuclear isotopes

[jancivil]

Two things I noticed since I posted: small children being copycats and people parroting what they saw in a movie acting like they're thinking.

Hopefully one grows out of that. Often what I have found, and unfortunately I tend to be cognizant of it a lot of the time, is people arguing using terms they don't actually have. It's like they believe they've seen the usage enough times to have it, have the gist and are fully prepared to weaponize it trying to be right. I have to be aware not to do it myself, in the last decade or so I check and recheck for precise application, since I know I have done that, think I have the gist and it's half-assed. You'd hope with much more facility to check availed improves the situation, but sometimes it feels like all it does is encourage people to 'talk', to type their half-baked notions at other people. Not long ago I was told I knew nothing about something because rather than accept the label as the meaning I analyzed it for the operative term 'swing', which wasn't present at all, so my use of science was not only of no interest it was 'narcissistic' to have such a strong inclination towards meaning. An individual that would never check for literal meaning, or examine anything evidently.

I would like to see one advance in DAWs which is a quasi-AI analysis machine, to examine dynamic shifts of swing in rhythm.


it's cued for this specific look in the URL, '=470'.


OR a morphing from one subdivision to another, there are large grey areas which are not quantifiable according to normal notation.


Which Braff is in fact engaged in, leveraging Kyma system. Cued to '=347' for a quick look in a Brazilian rhythmic practice.

[Tj Shredder]

Thanks @jancivil, I am super excited. http://general-theory-of-rhythm.org/basic-principles/
This does not require AI, its a swing theory which could be implemented with the bach environment within Max for example: http://www.bachproject.net/
I am just learning bach and its the deepest and best documented library I came across ever!
A swing editor for DAWs would be interesting. The existing „humanizers“ are often random, but swing isn‘t random at all. Also some breathing of tempo is lacking in most electronic music completely... Tempo modulation... Logic started implementing analysis of varying tempos already. Bitwigs upcoming modular environment and Max4Live also open DAWs for all kinds of extensions...
The future is on the horizon...

[vurt]

Thanks @jancivil, I am super excited. http://general-theory-of-rhythm.org/basic-principles/
This does not require AI, its a swing theory which could be implemented with the bach environment within Max for example: http://www.bachproject.net/
I am just learning bach and its the deepest and best documented library I came across ever!
A swing editor for DAWs would be interesting. The existing „humanizers“ are often random, but swing isn‘t random at all. Also some breathing of tempo is lacking in most electronic music completely... Tempo modulation... Logic started implementing analysis of varying tempos already. Bitwigs upcoming modular environment and Max4Live also open DAWs for all kinds of extensions...
The future is on the horizon...

you start bringing max in to it were moving beyond ai in to the realms of magick