KVR Audio

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:43 pm

AnX wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:18 pm what about ppl who own other moogs, do they get a discount?

seems expensive for an upgrade from mono to 4 voice

prob wait for the sale

sin night · Post by **sin night** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:34 pm

AnX wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:18 pm what about ppl who own other moogs, do they get a discount?

It would be great!

Although I think I don't have *enough* Moogs to qualify, yet...

Moogs are expensive, but also really nice products (if you like that sound, of course)... I'd like to get a Moog Matriarch, but it won't be anytime soon, I'll wait at last after the summer to just start thinking about it... and then I need to find room for it (that's the biggest issue, I have too much gear!)

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:59 pm

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:13 pm

rod_zero wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:52 pm QUite expensive for what is in offer, I would take the matrixbrute over this every time.

I can see why you would say that. The MB has that amazing Matrix, saves presets and is so hands on. After spending some hours with it, I found the sound not so much to my liking. Too easy to be hard and harsh. I so wanted to love that one.

The stereo capability of the Matriarch is appealing and I think the sound will be more to my liking. I also appreciate all the patch points.

Vectorman · Post by **Vectorman** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:01 pm

pdxindy wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:13 pm The MB has that amazing Matrix, saves presets and is so hands on. After spending some hours with it, I found the sound not so much to my liking. Too easy to be hard and harsh. I so wanted to love that one.

I haven't demoed a MB myself, but I found the same thing in listening to many demos - there were sounds that appealed to me here and there but most of them not so much. Sweet spots seemed to be kind of narrow and fiddly. Which is really too bad, because I love the concept of it and it's such a strikingly attractive design. I think at one point I almost wanted to get one just because it would look so freaking cool in the setup (especially at night).

I probably sounded too dismissive in my earlier post. I suppose a lot of it is "Behringer Syndrome" at work, and the way they have influenced perception of value for dollar over the last couple of years. The Matriarch demos do sound very nice. And to be fair, it's probably about as powerful for sound design as a Voyager on the whole and costs less.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:10 pm

Distorted Horizon · Post by **Distorted Horizon** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:12 am

https://www.factmag.com/2019/04/29/moog ... usive/amp/

Hm..

pekbro · Post by **pekbro** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:17 pm

I have the money for a couple of these in my handy desk drawer. Maybe one day,
currently I only have eyes for fully modular... Looks like fun though.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu May 02, 2019 3:27 pm

https://www.perfectcircuit.com/signal/m ... -spotlight

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu May 02, 2019 3:33 pm

pekbro wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:17 pm I have the money for a couple of these in my handy desk drawer. Maybe one day,
currently I only have eyes for fully modular... Looks like fun though.

buy me one then.
i have no desk drawers

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu May 02, 2019 3:59 pm

SLiC wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:01 am I like the Grandmother and I think it is pretty good value- I considered it but have been lured in to the new cheap world of Beringer analog synths....(DM12, Neutron and Model D so far - waiting to buy Oddesy as soon as it comes out)

I think they should have got this out for like $1200 and it woudl have also been decent value for a premium product, but they just always seem to push their costs based on the brand

The Matriarch is like 2 Grandmothers, plus a bigger keyboard with AT (+CV), paraphony, loopable envelopes and twice as many patch points (for example the 3 attenuators have CV in so can act as Ring Mods) and the Sequencer can be decoupled and has 4 notes per step. The Mixer can be used for mixing CV signals. If the Grandmother is a pretty good value, seems to me the Matriarch is too.

Well, regardless of others opinions, it seems well worth the price for me... so I pre-ordered one

Hermetech Mastering · Post by **Hermetech Mastering** » Thu May 02, 2019 5:46 pm

Can mix CV on the Grandmother mixer too.

pekbro · Post by **pekbro** » Thu May 02, 2019 9:50 pm

vurt wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 3:33 pm
pekbro wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:17 pm I have the money for a couple of these in my handy desk drawer. Maybe one day,
currently I only have eyes for fully modular... Looks like fun though.
buy me one then.
i have no desk drawers

Sadly, this years busy season is coming to an end and the rate at which my drawer fills
will be drastically reduced for about 5 months. So, buying one of these, even for myself
would not be particularly responsible of me.

Anyway, I think it's expensive for what it offers. I am not a fan of Moog's pricing for
a lot of the stuff they sell. Have you ever looked at their shop for 3rd party stuff?
They mark stuff up crazily. When I was looking at the Erica Synths fusion drone,
moog was listed as a dealer, it cost $1000 more to buy it from them than anyone else.

Not to say they don't have reasonable pricing on some things, but imho, you have to
pay a premium for the name in a lot of cases.

DJMaytag · Post by **DJMaytag** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:10 pm

SLiC wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:27 am To keep the thread OT - I wish Moog actually made those 'fake' Grandmother style modules as individual Eurorack Modules- A poly 4 voice Moog OSC module would probably sell well and there isn't a ton of 4 poly analog euro modules!

I inquired about that while having an informal talk with a Moog employee. Standalone devices aren’t something that’s on their roadmap, as the level of support required for such devices that need proper connections to other devices is high. A keyboard synth or a “synth module” like a Mother-32 or DFAM can be fully functional on its own.

FWIW, I was specifically asking if Moog would ever develop a dedicated sequencer again, either like the 960 modular module, or a multitrack device in the Mom-32/DFAM format. The answer was a definite NO, but they wouldn’t rule out doing a multitrack sequencer with at least one synth voice on board. The odds of that seem awfully slim of happening though.

DJMaytag · Post by **DJMaytag** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:28 pm

pekbro wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:50 pmNot to say they don't have reasonable pricing on some things, but imho, you have to
pay a premium for the name in a lot of cases.

You’re paying for products made by a company that pays a living wage and treats people right. It’s a company that people WANT to work for, and STAY once they get a job there. Also, Asheville is not a cheap place to love, so that drives up what it costs for employees to live there.