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7thsense · Post by **7thsense** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:24 am

Is there a value in having each of these or will one be fine? I'm looking at picking up FL soon, and can get a $199 upgrade to cubase sl2.0, I want to do mainly vst softsynths and a little bit of audio. What would be the advantage of having both of these vs. just one?

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:17 am

7thsense wrote:Is there a value in having each of these or will one be fine? I'm looking at picking up FL soon, and can get a $199 upgrade to cubase sl2.0, I want to do mainly vst softsynths and a little bit of audio. What would be the advantage of having both of these vs. just one?

I would think carefully before paying that for the SL upgrade...

FL great for all your MIDI and soft synth stuff, but not ideal for audio...

Have you tried out Tracktion (a mere $80, and great for audio recording)? Tracktion (ReWire and VST host) plus FL studio might be a better combination for you at a cheaper price?

nool · Post by **nool** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:51 am

Neither ! www.buzzmachines.com

quincy · Post by **quincy** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:56 am

nool wrote:Neither ! www.buzzmachines.com

Great host, shite stability!

Sad really, cos many people like me love Buzz, but its just too buggy and it stopped development etc.

meeks · Post by **meeks** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:54 pm

FL great for all your MIDI and soft synth stuff, but not ideal for audio...

Have you tried out Tracktion (a mere $80, and great for audio recording)? Tracktion (ReWire and VST host) plus FL studio might be a better combination for you at a cheaper price?[/quote]

Can you elaborate on why fruity's not ideal for recording? I record just fine into it and can easily manipulate tracks, run through processess and in general have guality sounding tracks (guitar). However, I've never used any other. Is it editing, quality or ease?

deep.noise · Post by **deep.noise** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:36 pm

I use Buzz, FLstudio, Energy xt and Audacity (plus a
lot of free vsti and vst).
Cheap setup, but i can do everything i want with it
(I make ambient/dnb things), and Buzz, with the right tricks, is a very stable software, for me.

I spent more cash on midi controller, studio monitors, headphones...ehm... beer

//deep.noise

Katanaman · Post by **Katanaman** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:38 pm

If you want to use Buzz plugins without using BUZZ, which doesn't even work in my computer, buying FL studio along with Cubase would be justified. Plus, FL Studio has some great features. I don't think it's all that good by itself, though. In my oppinion, it's just too hard to make a good song with it's interface. Used with other software, it can be very powerful.

It all depends on you, though. I don't use FL studio at all. I only use Tracktion and Reason. But what works for me might not work for you. If you can make songs that sound good with FL studio alone(many can), you don't need Cubase. If you're like me, get both.

Igor 4000 · Post by **Igor 4000** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:53 pm

If you're truly doing "a little bit" of audio, then FL Studio would be more cost effective for you. It has basic audio functionalities and is an excellent VST host.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:30 am

meeks wrote: Can you elaborate on why fruity's not ideal for recording? I record just fine into it and can easily manipulate tracks, run through processess and in general have guality sounding tracks (guitar). However, I've never used any other. Is it editing, quality or ease?

A bit of each, although it certainly works OK once you get the hang of it.

Quality/Editing - I use Adobe Audition which is a "full-on" audio editing application, so most sequencer/soft studios seem a bit basic from my perspective. I work primarily with audio, hence investing in something optimised for this.

Ease of use - I find FL very different from everything else out there, so it takes a bit of getting used to... but it's great fun once you do, and I find it quite inspiring as a programme.

nool · Post by **nool** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:24 pm

quincy wrote:Great host, shite stability!

maybe in your hands, i have no stability issues here, its all about using the proper machines

quincy wrote: Sad really, cos many people like me love Buzz, but its just too buggy and it stopped development etc.

Again, the machines.
Development has stopped ? In the last year, we have seen the improvements of a midiwrapper for midi input to all buzz machines, a great stable sold VST wrapper by Polac, which now also loads VST/VSTi, buzzmachines, and DX/DXi. Also there are a ton of peer machines add alot of expandabliity. External applications for manipulating patterns....

but you speak of the Buzz from 2000, just like everyone else....

zircon · Post by **zircon** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:29 pm

FLStudio sounds like it's right for you. No point in spending more money on Cubase for your purposes. FLStudio definitely has more than enough power and functionality.

Cabinfever · Post by **Cabinfever** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:30 pm

wait for fls5 in december and then decide. acidpro5 will also be december and that might be a contender too... wait, wait

ceenda · Post by **ceenda** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:00 pm

I think maybe the interface and included demo songs give the impression that FLStudio isn't capable of doing the more freestyle types of composition that other packages like Cubase and Sonic lend themselves too, but it took playing around with the demo for a bit to realise that FLStudio is more than capable to be used for massively varying compositions. I think the playlist editor throws people a bit, as the playlist and sequencer editors in packages like Orion, energyXT etc. allow you to see the MIDI parts previewed in the sequencer, whereas in Fruity you have to select a Pattern and then look to the Channel editor to see the MIDI parts.

Stability wise, it's been absolutely rock solid on 3 different machines.

Buzz has been quite stable too, the only crashes I've had are start-up crashes due to some faulty generators being loaded, which usually involves trying to find the culprit by hand.

I use a set up similar to deep.noise and it does everything I want, really.

Cubase and FL studio, one or both?