Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

[vurt]

when amazons ai thinks "you purchased a pair of etnies kingpins size 9 maybe youd be interested in..." then links the same shoes in 3 different sizes.
im not sure ai is as advanced as people think...

[perfumer]

But, frankly, I would prefer to listen to techno made by robots, than to Zappa music made by the actual Zappa. But that's just me.

[vurt]

But, frankly, I would prefer to listen to techno made by robots, than to Zappa music made by the actual Zappa. But that's just me.

ah! but what if the robots had been built and programmed by zappa?

[perfumer]

But, frankly, I would prefer to listen to techno made by robots, than to Zappa music made by the actual Zappa. But that's just me.

ah! but what if the robots had been built and programmed by zappa?

In the future!

[vurt]

But, frankly, I would prefer to listen to techno made by robots, than to Zappa music made by the actual Zappa. But that's just me.

ah! but what if the robots had been built and programmed by zappa?

In the future!

well using cloning technology why not?

[vurt]

if we can bring back extinct species like the mammoth or t.rex, the hippy should also be up for consideration.

[LawrenceF]

10 years is not very long in the software world. Look back 10 years and tell me how today's major daws are drastically different than they were in 2009. Some new features and workflows here and there is about all I see in that time span, typical "improvements over time". And of course some new arrivals catching up more, subjectively speaking.

You may want to reframe this thought experiment to 30-40 years.

[perfumer]

10 years is not very long in the software world. Look back 10 years and tell me how today's major daws are drastically different than they were in 2009. Some new features and workflows here and there is about all I see in that time span, typical "improvements over time". And of course some new arrivals catching up more, subjectively speaking.

You may want to reframe this thought experiment to 30-40 years.

Bitwig

[drdriller]

ten years ago ?

2006 : Massive
2007 : Sylenth1, Reason 4
2009 : Fruity 9, Live 8

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what big since them ?

2014 : Serum

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now ?

2019 : Sylenth1 3, Serum 124b8, Massive X, Live 10, Fruity 20, Reason 10

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in 10 years ?

2029 : Sylenth1 4, Serum 189b2, Live 12, Fruity 22 (Reason & Massive discontinued)

i don't see any big revolution in the next 10 years, maybe a few fancy controller and a bit of "AI" for generating chord/melody/bassline/beat

(real AI still wont exists in 2029, we will stil be in the deep learning step which started in 2011, real AI is announced for 2040\50)

[vurt]

are you talking artificial general intelligence?

[telecode]

Do you get the issues?

Big data is as important as the AI that sifts through it (and its complexity). The AI is going to work on a statistical basis = choose 75% established rules, and 25% variations (of course that's very roughly said). Feed all the music of Bach in a machine and make it able to get out the fine details, sort them in a structure, then make statistically based choices on what to include in the new fugue, and chances are you'll end up with something very similar to the works of Bach. Same for K-pop, same for any style that's based on relatively strict rules and structure. A friend of mine who is very smart became a data architect, and was previously working on semantic search engines - basically it's the same process, whether it's news articles about football, jihadist networks, or techno music. Find what occurs and how often, then find what's related to what, then make a model and fine tune it.

But that's valid fo cliche-based music, not for experimentation and highly creative but reasoned (not arbitrary) choices. An AI may not be able to write a Zappa song, or an Umberto Eco page of literature, because this requires what machines don't have - real intelligence. (That is, being aware of the playing field, being alive, fit and in control of your skills, then playing and thinking, thinking and playing.)

So TL;DR - it's not just about the economy, there are more serious issues than that.

It sounds like you don't really listen to classical music. You should re-read my post on Finnish Death Metal and how I know nothing about it and its basically all just the same stuff to me.

Classical music that classical music fans listen and buy will not be replaced by AI. For many reasons. Recorded classical music is about the recording and performance and interpretation of the piece. Hence why there is a huge difference between the performance of a Mozart or Bach or Chopin piece by Horowitz vs Alfred Brendel vs some other guy. To average joe blow listener, it's just a classical piano piece but to a knowledgeable classical music fan, there are huge differences in the recordings and performance and classical music fans will source out particular recordings and performances by particular performers. Opera fans are notorious for that.

I think a better argument and discussion is, will AI replace generic types of music like some types of very generic chill or trance that is forgettable. I fail to see it happening. For a few reasons. Many artists make music as a creative expression and release -- not to get Lottery winner rich. So why would they use an AI service to make it? Secondly, the streamers like Spotify and Apple are already hardly paying any money back to artists or labels for new music -- so why would they give two shits about investing in AI to make new music? They are much better off investing in AI to improve their services to customers and steal customers from other platforms. But what do I know.

Now if they could find a way to make AI to make Rolling Stones, Zeppelin and Beatles catalog releases that are identical to original recordings and find a way to get off the hook of paying labels and publishers for those plays -- now we are talking big bucks.

[telecode]

are you talking artificial general intelligence?

quite frankly I am not sure what we are talking about. But I am trying to keep it within the realm of music creation. I am sure it will make its way into music creation somehow, perhaps mastering or mixing, you are already seeing it in music consumption.

AI is very complex stuff. But one commercial aspect of it is related to the discussion from 20 or 30 years ago about how we are moving from an era of mass production to mass customization. So instead of you going to a IKEA store and buying the same kitchen cabinet as a 100,000 other people in your geographic region, you will go and buy a custom cabinet to your liking that is unique to you and your space. In creative terms, it's like that Ford or Coke ad that gets broadcast on TV or Internet -- instead of a million people seeing the same as, AI will enable these companies to customize the ad experience for each viewer which will greatly increase changes of a sale. i.e. if you like EDM, you will hear EDM in the ad and if I like R&B, I will hear R&B in that ad. They will get info from the data they collect on you. Its very plausible and very possible this will happen with AI technology in the next 10 years at the rate its progressing.

Once caveat, the predictors of mass customization from 20 years ago didn't expect computing and technology to advance and interconnect the way it has -- they didn't consider that the thing that will do the customization will be a computing based system that does not need a salary, benefits, to sleep or support a family. The AI stuff will displace a lot of jobs and the pipe dreams by some AI futurists is that the market will fix itself and those displaced jobs will just be moved into jobs that service and fix AI type systems -- all people need to do is take some free coursera and STEM courses on machine learning and programming and they will be ready to rock and roll. Its not quite that simple or easy. The flip side of that coin is, if you don't happen to be the winner of 1 in a million chance of nailing that AI system fixer job, you will get to work for minimum wage serving fries. So no new iPhone or fancy car for you in this life time.

[drdriller]

AI is very complex stuff. But one commercial aspect of it is related to the discussion from 20 or 30 years ago about how we are moving from an era of mass production to mass customization. So instead of you going to a IKEA store and buying the same kitchen cabinet as a 100,000 other people in your geographic region, you will go and buy a custom cabinet to your liking that is unique to you and your space. In creative terms, it's like that Ford or Coke ad that gets broadcast on TV or Internet -- instead of a million people seeing the same as, AI will enable these companies to customize the ad experience for each viewer which will greatly increase changes of a sale. i.e. if you like EDM, you will hear EDM in the ad and if I like R&B, I will hear R&B in that ad. They will get info from the data they collect on you. Its very plausible and very possible this will happen with AI technology in the next 10 years at the rate its progressing.

this is not real artificial intelligence, this is deep learning & big data.

Once caveat, the predictors of mass customization from 20 years ago didn't expect computing and technology to advance and interconnect the way it has

they did, the first chat bot was developed in 1965.

the golden age of AI was 1956–1974, in this time they thank they could reach human intelligence in 1995, today we think it will be in 2040/50, but we also think there will be no "human intelligence" step, we are very far but when the computer will manage to get emotional they will suddenly be far beyond because there computing capabilities are infinite.

[Sampleconstruct]

In 10 years every DAW will have a virtual slot where the user has to enter Bitcoins to buy CO2 certificates unless the computer is powered with regenerative energy.

[telecode]

this is not real artificial intelligence, this is deep learning & big data.

Yeah. i think you are right. either way. its probably much more probably it will be affecting music creation. the other stuff about emotions is pretty far fetched. hell, sometimes i think real human beings have lost their capability for emotions.