Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

[telecode]

We'll be living in the digital age of plenty where we can't be sure if a human or AI created a song.

Expect the reappraisal of live music. Acoustic live music in particular. You can't fool it's created by (the help of) a AI DAW!

This is just laughable. Ludicrous really. I have to wonder if you have the first clue about what goes into real music. No, if you really did you wouldn't have this particular fantasy.

Why would there be a "reappraisal" of acoustic live music? Because AI. You need more than a brain to get your touch together on a stringed instrument; you need all kinds of physical apparatus to be a wind player. Do you actually entertain a fantasy of a robot doing this any time soon? The feedback from touch on an instrument is extremely complex. This is supposedly going to be in the realm of digital binary code? When? How? What of the problems here are you currently studying?
Show your work.

Pure fantasy.

I appreciate your reaction. And I appreciate your concern, at least that’s how your post appears to me. The fierceness of it gives me the impression you feel quite uncomfortable of AI possibly having such an impact. I may be wrong though.

You are so very wrong. I meant what I said, it's a baseless fantasy afaic. I'm not afraid of unicorns or the tooth fairy.
I was offended by the glib dismissal. No one needs AI for it {aside from 1) disability or 2) people who won't be equipped anyway.}. So the qualification "(the help of)" has no real meaning.
I challenged you to show your investigation into what is to be done.

i can see a "reprisal" of live acoustic music, with real musicians, if we do end up with the ai music releases.
people might go and see the odd artist who is purely ai based, but we as humans don't actually appreciate perfection.
its not right, it wont feed that part of the human psyche that 20 tabla players can. the excitement as it builds and the players are like dervish's with their hands, you sweat watching them...

its that shiver up the spine, the connection between two humans sharing a moment.
that's what live music is. not an algorithm.

Yes, i agree. Live music events and live musicians are in. That's what music industry revolves around. There is no money in the actual music itself -- just in the performance of the music. Music has become a worthless commodity that has hardly any value. There is no attachment or loyalty to the actual artists. I think its because there is not physical purchase of music. Its all just rented streaming space. One artist and one playlist gets replaced with another and there is no attachment to the actual music or artist.

I think computing advanced will get more tied into the music making process and displace trained musicians and music makers. Things like analyzing and arranging and mastering will just get easier and more streamlined and consumer oriented where you don't need to turn to a trained professional. Thats my prediction.

[toonertik]

Not telling...

[vurt]

[vurt]

i do have an urge to book a gig and just turn up with my phone with a synth app.
id do it if i could run

[telecode]

does live music not exist if only the performer is there to enjoy it?

well yes of course.
i was talking about the difference between an ai performance and a human performance. to an audience member.
no ai is going to be able to have that connection.
thinking as an audience memberin this case, rather than a musician, we get that shiver communicating with our instruments, those moments we become one.

I agree with you but dont we already have such a perception from many, for example today's music is just pushing buttons...we realize the bs behind that bias but it already exists and peope are going to the shows believing the music is computer generated and the artist is some sort of operator

but do people really enjoy those shows? when they think that i mean?
many years ago, i was lucky enough to see kraftwerk performing. the majority of the audience, im assuming i didn't ask, must have had that mindset, because honestly they where mostly stood like statues, then clapping between the tracks.
no dancing, no whooping and hollering when your fave track was played...
i was getting some right stares going absolutely mental with me 3d gigs on
there where a few other dancers there, im not saying i was the only one.
weirdest gig ive ever been to.

same when you go to classical gigs, although everyone is seated and theres less whooping and such. you can see the people who are there because they love the music, the performance, theyre on the edge of their seats, hands are wringing, eyes fixated on the performers.
then there are those who are there to be seen. they sit, ocassionally look at their watches or the program...

I think live music performance is more on an event and an experience. Of course people enjoy themselves at those events. But no, I don't think most people get that attached to artists and the music released those artists are plugging at those shows. Its just a social event and experience for most people.

I remember a few years ago going to a music event and seeing Thundercat on the bill. I had never heard of him and his liver performance blew me away. But I could tell people were enjoying themselves watching it but they werent that into what he was doing as he was dong stiff that went over their hipster hears. If he was an artist around in the 70s or 60s he'd be huge.

[LawrenceF]

2019 : Sylenth1 3, Serum 124b8, Massive X,

Maybe I missed the point, but I thought this was about workstations, not instruments. I do agree that virtual or sampled instruments may progress a bit faster than workstations in 10 years.

[vurt]

I remember a few years ago going to a music event and seeing Thundercat on the bill. I had never heard of him and his liver performance blew me away. But I could tell people were enjoying themselves watching it but they werent that into what he was doing as he was dong stiff that went over their hipster hears. If he was an artist around in the 70s or 60s he'd be huge.

but that's a human, theres still that connection.
they enjoy the experience of the music even if its not something they might listen to at home.
you see a good musician enjoying playing, you cant help but be impressed and enjoy it in the moment.
even bad musicians, if theyre performing with authenticity, people will love it.
look at daniel johnston or wesley willis...

[Scotty]

In the near term I think will see DAW integration incorporating the cloud based mastering tools like Landr and others. EQ masking and unveiling tricks done by Ozone and Neutron will be incorporated in the flagship DAW products and not require third party plugins.

In the longer terms... intelligent arranger tools will be more common with simplified user interfaces. As more machine learning algorithms understand the anatomy of what makes "a hit" we'll start to see contextually sensitive tips and suggestions for song structure, chord progressions, and melody available through cloud based analysis tools. This will increase accessibility and on the downside "sameness" and not necessarily better music.

[telecode]

This will increase accessibility and on the downside "samenames" and not necessarily better music.

Yes, it might for people that aren't actually artists trying to create something new and different. But for people that are artists trying to do something different, they will use the tools in new and different ways and try to come up with stuff that no one has heard before done with those tools or instruments.

[Hink]

does live music not exist if only the performer is there to enjoy it?

well yes of course.
i was talking about the difference between an ai performance and a human performance. to an audience member.
no ai is going to be able to have that connection.
thinking as an audience memberin this case, rather than a musician, we get that shiver communicating with our instruments, those moments we become one.

I agree with you but dont we already have such a perception from many, for example today's music is just pushing buttons...we realize the bs behind that bias but it already exists and peope are going to the shows believing the music is computer generated and the artist is some sort of operator

but do people really enjoy those shows? when they think that i mean?
many years ago, i was lucky enough to see kraftwerk performing. the majority of the audience, im assuming i didn't ask, must have had that mindset, because honestly they where mostly stood like statues, then clapping between the tracks.
no dancing, no whooping and hollering when your fave track was played...
i was getting some right stares going absolutely mental with me 3d gigs on
there where a few other dancers there, im not saying i was the only one.
weirdest gig ive ever been to.

same when you go to classical gigs, although everyone is seated and theres less whooping and such. you can see the people who are there because they love the music, the performance, theyre on the edge of their seats, hands are wringing, eyes fixated on the performers.
then there are those who are there to be seen. they sit, ocassionally look at their watches or the program...

I dont know if they enjoy it but they pay to go, when I went to shows I was often seeing a different show than my friends so I'm not the one to ask My point is that the public is a bit primed already to accept ai, I think many see it as the next thing. Milli vanilli, generations of lip syncing tv performances and lip synced videos from the start of the video craze has helped put an artificial primer in there too.

People in Boston are pretty excited to see the 4th of july fireworks synced up with the bso...gotta be some computer processing there. It just doesn't offend me, it doesn't take away the gift music gives me

[vurt]

people, well adults, who ooh and ahh at fireworks worry me...



although, once, flying back from dam, so a little hazy, it was 5th nov so our firework night (well we have a firework season really, starts mid oct runs through to the weekend or so after new year )
but anyway, out of the plane window looking down on the fireworks coming from everywhere was quite beautiful.

[THE INTRANCER]

I think music will be self generated by robots, music will be judged by other robots, and any music produced by robots that sounds crap will be terminated by robots. Actually that sounds like an idea for a VR game. But anyway, I think Reason will end up on an IPad and look like Ableton, away from Mac & PC critics...

[vurt]

I think music will be self generated by robots, music will be judged by other robots, and any music produced by robots that sounds crap will be terminated by robots. Actually that sounds like an idea for a VR game. But anyway, I think Reason will end up on an IPad and look like Ableton, away from Mac & PC critics...

weve given you drama, intrigue, sex, possible violence, and you come up with this?

[vurt]

youre basically just taking xfactor and robot wars and making them one.

[THE INTRANCER]

I think music will be self generated by robots, music will be judged by other robots, and any music produced by robots that sounds crap will be terminated by robots. Actually that sounds like an idea for a VR game. But anyway, I think Reason will end up on an IPad and look like Ableton, away from Mac & PC critics...

weve given you drama, intrigue, sex, possible violence, and you come up with this?

Actually, I was thinking about this eariler...and have an idea of how DAWs will evolve and look like in 10 years but I'd need to spend some time in Photoshop. Busy with something else that's much bigger atm though..