Is it possible not to laugh when someone says calls them self a "producer"?

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dilligaf

[JunSev]

I think many of you guys are falling in a misconception and misinterpreted term, If someone wants to learn in depth how to mix and master, combining different elements altogether and also finding the best way to make everything sits well in the mix, dedicating days and hours learning how to make it better, how it can't be a producer because maybe is not making a living from it or is not mainstream?

I would agree that if someone self proclaim himself as a producer "depending of the intentionality" may sound arrogant for some of us of course. But if you're dedicated with your passion and you enjoy the process, you're a producer, even if no one value your talent or you are not making a living just from it.

[Passing Bye]

If someone is calling shots on how record is gonna come out, he's producer, today people are wearing even more hats, so calling them only producers is not accurate, some even do all or plenty in between, write, compose, arrange, record, perform, program, mix and master.

Laugh all you want, guy that made a beat or hired someone to do it and had someone rap over it and than hired recording, mixing and mastering engineer is still producer of that track, even if the track got few public listens and everyone worked for free.

[whyterabbyt]

I think many of you guys are falling in a misconception and misinterpreted term

Or, perhaps its the other way round.

Given that historically 'producer' (as in 'record producer') was a pretty specific role in the process of creating recordings of music (and not one which necessarily meant any involvement in the writing or performance of said music) then appropriating that term for a writer/performer/whatever who doesnt necessarily have the same skills or focus that that role historically required may be seen as the misinterpretation or misconception.
In fact it may be seen as someone elevating themselves into a job title they dont necessarily deserve, like calling yourself 'business management' just because you manage to do some work at a business.

[Robmobius]

Prefer to laugh at oxygen thieves who produce shite threads...

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a navy captain is the equivalent of a colonel in other branches of the military which means years of education, 5 prior paygrades and a lot time in service. If you own your own boat no matter what size, with or without a license you are recognized as the captain of the vessel by maritime law, even if you're a kid.

[vurt]

I think many of you guys are falling in a misconception and misinterpreted term, If someone wants to learn in depth how to mix and master, combining different elements altogether and also finding the best way to make everything sits well in the mix, dedicating days and hours learning how to make it better, how it can't be a producer because maybe is not making a living from it or is not mainstream?

I would agree that if someone self proclaim himself as a producer "depending of the intentionality" may sound arrogant for some of us of course. But if you're dedicated with your passion and you enjoy the process, you're a producer, even if no one value your talent or you are not making a living just from it.

if one wants to learn anything, you dont call yourself master on the first day.

[telecode]

I don't laugh. And hell, I am old and was weened on the Glyn Johns and Ted Templeman stuff. I just try to keep up with the times and not fixate on the past. My spotify playlists include everyone from Ryuichi Sakamoto to Flume. As I stated in many posts in past, the term "producer" changed with the collapse of the old music industry. As did the term, "artist" and "studio". The archaic idea of a producer being some insider industry/engineer/arist pro like Rundgren or Quincy Jones who is able to "coax" the best performance out of new and up and coming hip band XYZ -- (and take a nice little % of royalty up front from that band who will most probably never see a nickle from sales) -- who aren't capable of taking their own vision from start to completion is pretty much outdated.

In modern terms, a "producer" is someone who "produces music" for someone who likes to listen to it. Anyone can be a "producer" as all they have to do is invest about $1K into some consumer music gear -- just like my aunt can call herself a "painter" because all she has to do is buy some art supplies from Michaels and paint some flowers in her house. Its all valid.

That being said, not all "producers" are artists and not all producers are of same capability and last, most important, not all producers know how to get their music heard by people that are looking for the type of music that producer makes. In an era where there is too much music and music has no value .. thats the clincher to get past. It really depends what genre and audience is. Of the newer genres I am into, it seems the artists that reign in that genre have a much better handle on who their fans are, how to make music from start to finish for those fans, and how to reach them -- than some dope from the 90s or 80s who once upon a time did job X in an industry that was on its last legs.

[whyterabbyt]

As I stated in many posts in past, the term "producer" changed with the collapse of the old music industry.

The one that's been growing constantly since 2012, and makes about as much now per annum as it did in the 70's?

[AnX]

As I stated in many posts in past, the term "producer" changed with the collapse of the old music industry.

The one that's been growing constantly since 2012, and makes about as much now per annum as it did in the 70's?

no, he clearly said the old, not current

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I consider myself a musician i.e I make music. Everything else e.g sound-design, engineering, recording, mixing etc. is just a means to an end - that of getting my recorded music heard by others.
The term Producer could probably be exchanged for a few words in the above paragraph, but would need qualifying. "Musician" doesn't seem to need any further explanation

[imrae]

I sez: If you actually make your primary living income from it you can lay claim to it. Otherwise, if forced to define what you 'are' by what you 'do', be real. You are a shelf-stocker / barista / broom pusher / telecom mogul. You are permitted to add 'and I make music on the side' (assuming you have filled the proper forms and submitted them to my authority and waited patiently for your permit).

That's absurd. By this reasoning you would say that this fellow is not a magician:

because he is in fact a lawyer.

[vurt]

I sez: If you actually make your primary living income from it you can lay claim to it. Otherwise, if forced to define what you 'are' by what you 'do', be real. You are a shelf-stocker / barista / broom pusher / telecom mogul. You are permitted to add 'and I make music on the side' (assuming you have filled the proper forms and submitted them to my authority and waited patiently for your permit).

That's absurd. By this reasoning you would say that this fellow is not a magician:

because he is in fact a lawyer.

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[imrae]

Don't get me sidetracked on the philosophy of magic tricks, I could write a book on it and there's enough subjective nonsense in this thread already

[yehboy1]

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