Is it possible not to laugh when someone says calls them self a "producer"?

[vurt]

i once went to a party at a friends squat (early 90s).
the dub was so loud and bassy we blew windows out.
lasted about a week, i went home for showers and a kip a few times then back to the same party...
we communicated using sign language.
mainly "wanna drink" type hand gestures, or "fist pumping" to denote awesome trackage!

[telecode]

your middle class friends are shite!
my working class friends spend double that on the booze alone, then theres the "other inebriating items" and theres usually at least a dj, if not local musos up for a jam

working class people know how to party, because they also know theres f**k all left to do
middle classes live to work, working classes work to live.

have iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!!!!!!

you wanna bring class division in to it?

I think my point is, from what I can see at least, people don't blink an eye when spending $10 at Starbucks, or $1000 on an iPhone and the teenagers seem to have no issues with $3000 gaming laptops, which I think all are insanely high priced products -- but none of them think about buying music. The idea of spending actual money on a CD or iTunes release is completely out of the question. Its a big waste of money for them. Just my observation. But different people act differently in different parts of the world -- so I don't know. Maybe where I live is an anomaly.

[ghettosynth]

i was once invited to a party at a more affluent friends house.
people were "talking" (not shouting)
there was some music on in the background but i couldn't tell you what because i could barely hear it over all the people "talking"
i was home by half past ten.
the same bloody night

The SAME night? WTF?

[vurt]

i was once invited to a party at a more affluent friends house.
people were "talking" (not shouting)
there was some music on in the background but i couldn't tell you what because i could barely hear it over all the people "talking"
i was home by half past ten.
the same bloody night

The SAME night? WTF?

i know, i had the same reaction.
only see him now at other peoples parties.
not going there again

[Vortifex]

..

[Hink]

your middle class friends are shite!
my working class friends spend double that on the booze alone, then theres the "other inebriating items" and theres usually at least a dj, if not local musos up for a jam

working class people know how to party, because they also know theres f**k all left to do
middle classes live to work, working classes work to live.

have iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!!!!!!

you wanna bring class division in to it?

I think my point is, from what I can see at least, people don't blink an eye when spending $10 at Starbucks, or $1000 on an iPhone and the teenagers seem to have no issues with $3000 gaming laptops, which I think all are insanely high priced products -- but none of them think about buying music. The idea of spending actual money on a CD or iTunes release is completely out of the question. Its a big waste of money for them. Just my observation. But different people act differently in different parts of the world -- so I don't know. Maybe where I live is an anomaly.

I think I would have to drive all the way to Portland Maine to find a store selling music on a physical medium, for a point a reference it would actually be closer for someone to drive from Boston Mass to Portland than for me to drive to Portland.

Your point isn't lost on me, when I did live in Mass (on the New Hampshire border) there was a time that it was a great deal of fun going out looking for music. I could head north and spend the day hitting dozens of stores with new and used CDs, LPs and tapes hoping to find that one score of something on a long list I had been looking for. On the other hand I could jump on the train and head down to Boston and surrounding communities and hit many more by rail. Both were awesome days always ending up eating somewhere cool and also hitting music stores (music instruments).

Those days started dying early this century and are kaput now, the last music store I worked at was also a huge chain in the northeast (Daddy's Junky Music), it went belly up too. While I worked there right next door sharing a wall with us was an institution for the music hunt in Nashua NH called rocket records. They closed up while I worked at Daddy's, the owner was clear that it was napsta that killed him...that was 2000 or 2001.

For me no longer is the need for that score, I bought the music but I bought mp3s on Amazon of stuff I was looking for. When gas prices hit 3 bux a gallon for quite a while I couldn't afford a tank of gas just to hit one or two record stores that would likely yield nothing for me. I also have to admit that many of my CDs came from the first music store I worked in (again instruments). We were in Somerville Mass on the subway (just outside of Boston, Davis SQ). The boss would buy CDs off of people for 2 bux each and we had a spinny rack in the back. I had a partner but he was always out getting used gear and when people came in to sell me CDs I reached into my pocked for the 2 bux for the ones I wanted. FTR we rarely sold any, there was a huge used CD/LP store just up the street called disc diggers. (I bought a lot there because the owner was a customer of mine)

Of course used LP/CD sales did very little besides promotion for the artist

[rp314]

hm... what is the correct term for a guy with a daw and a boatload of plugins...?

Has producer really become that desirable a term to describe folks using computers to make music? I would think the terms musician and composer are still preferable to one often associated with the business end of things, but, literally speaking, since you are producing music, why not?

The notion that using that term is more pretentious than some other is not something that makes any sense to me. We're all doing our best and the rest kind of takes care of itself.

[jancivil]

"DJ" is worse tho

who cares
sometimes it's laughable in context, by itself it's just neutral

[Muied Lumens]

Language changes over time; new words appear and old words take on new meanings.

[whyterabbyt]

My hard evidence I present pertains to my own personal observation

like I said... not hard evidence.

[whyterabbyt]

And they are a lot of Drake and hip-hop and latino music fans

Drake : distributed by Universal Music Group, owned by Vivendi, dates back to 1934, major player in the old music industry. Signed an agreement with Youtube in 2017 for collection of copyright fees from UMG distributed artists. Updated their agreement with Spotify in 2017.

old music industry reselling through new media is still old music industry.

[Acid Mitch]

I think my point is, from what I can see at least, people don't blink an eye when spending $10 at Starbucks, or $1000 on an iPhone and the teenagers seem to have no issues with $3000 gaming laptops, which I think all are insanely high priced products -- but none of them think about buying music..

That’s only because music is so easy to get without paying.
If Starbucks coffee and expensive laptops were just as easy to get without paying for then people wouldn't be paying for them either.

[whyterabbyt]

I think my point is, from what I can see at least, people don't blink an eye when spending $10 at Starbucks, or $1000 on an iPhone and the teenagers seem to have no issues with $3000 gaming laptops, which I think all are insanely high priced products -- but none of them think about buying music..

That’s only because music is so easy to get without paying.

Once upon a time we had this thing called 'radio'. People could listen to music all day, and not pay anything to do so. A lot of people who listened to radio had no issue spending lots of money on all sorts of other things, but didnt think about buying music.
That must mean no-one ever bought music back then, right? One really wonders how the 'old' music industry survived back when all that music was available for free.

[vurt]

home taping killed music

i had a badge, so it must be true.

[telecode]

And they are a lot of Drake and hip-hop and latino music fans

Drake : distributed by Universal Music Group, owned by Vivendi, dates back to 1934, major player in the old music industry. Signed an agreement with Youtube in 2017 for collection of copyright fees from UMG distributed artists. Updated their agreement with Spotify in 2017.

old music industry reselling through new media is still old music industry.

You just gave a brief summary of a corporate history. Cool. Yeah, I also read the Edgar Bronfman Seagram book Fortunes Fool (btw a good read if you are ever interested into how a talent-less business dude managed to single handedly destroy one of the truly great record companies into the ground and layoff 99% of their employees) -- yes, its all entertaining historical facts of what happened as the old major labels were going belly up. But how does the fact that large corporations that have some portion of their assets in media prove the old music industry exists and functions the way it did during the glory LP and CD days?

What you may be confusing is the media industry (which encompasses a lot more than music) with the music content creation industry. (Notice the big red line!! You as a music content creation player do not get a slice of the content delivery pie where all the money is.)

https://dwmw.wordpress.com/2011/05/17/t ... t-myths/2/

Yeah, if I were interested in going into the business of marketing and selling mobile phones and Tampon and Nissan car ads.. I would be happy as a clam.. media is a great place now. Just watch those economic cycles.

But seriously, I am very curious based on what are you basing your claims the music industry exists the way it did 20 years ago? I am in a metropolitan city and I was around during LP, tape and CD sales days -- all those places that used to exist are long gone. Try getting a job at a record store? There may be 2 or 3 used music stores in all of the greater metropolitan area compared to 100's back in the day. Try getting a job at a recording studio. There were 100's back in the day. Those started closing shop 20 years ago.