Super 8 - New polysynth by Native Instruments

[wagtunes]

Using that same logic, any VST dll made with C++ means that I have C++ when I load a C++ created dll into my DAW. Except I don't have C++. I can't create my own C++ project. I can only use dlls that were created with C++.

How little you people understand things...

Anyway, im not into brickwall talk so i guess i better just stop here. If you really cannot comprehend that a SynthEdit VST DLL is simply your SynthEdit project wrapped in a DLL then im afraid there is nothing i can do. In my view it is clear, it is obvious, after all how could a SE plugin function without SE when SE is the very component the plugin consists of. But feel free to think what you will.

No sire, I understand perfectly well. I was a programmer from 1984 until 2001 when I retired from the Corporate America rat race. My last project, I created medical billing software for a small company. The code was written in BASIC. The final file sent to the customers was an exe. They didn't need BASIC to run it. Just a PC running Windows. You want to claim that the BASIC compiler or language or whatever is embedded in the code that gets shipped to the customer, fine. It doesn't change the difference between running THAT program and then running a program where you FIRST have to load ANOTHER program in order to run the second one.

THAT is the difference between a SynthEdit VST and a Reaktor ensemble. And no dancing around that is going to change that.

How many years have YOU been programming code?

Tired of people talking down to me especially when it was my profession for almost half my life.

[EvilDragon]

I'm not familiar enough with Reaktor to do this discussion on a technical level, but with regard to directly opening a reactor ensemble, maybe we need to make a distinction between the technical level and the experience by the user.

Embedding is not needed for me, as long as one (double)click opens the synth in Reaktor.
When you open a Word document, one (double)click opens the application and then opens that document in the application. The same behavior would be quite sufficient for me. One (double)click on an (object referencing an) ensemble in your DAW opens Reaktor and then opens this synth in Reaktor. Same behaviour with drag and drop.

Surely, NI should be able to make this happen.

Drag&drop already works. Double-click on an .ens from the Explorer/Finder used to open standalone Reaktor with that ensemble, but is currently broken at least on Windows (reported to Reaktor team and will be fixed).

[Stefken]

I'm not familiar enough with Reaktor to do this discussion on a technical level, but with regard to directly opening a reactor ensemble, maybe we need to make a distinction between the technical level and the experience by the user.

Embedding is not needed for me, as long as one (double)click opens the synth in Reaktor.
When you open a Word document, one (double)click opens the application and then opens that document in the application. The same behavior would be quite sufficient for me. One (double)click on an (object referencing an) ensemble in your DAW opens Reaktor and then opens this synth in Reaktor. Same behaviour with drag and drop.

Surely, NI should be able to make this happen.

Drag&drop already works. Double-click on an .ens from the Explorer/Finder used to open standalone

I guess you're talking about the OS explorer and not the explorer within the DAW?
Still not the same experience. I'm talking dragging in the DAW and have it open in your DAW, like you would with a VST.

(For the record: I'm not doing this discussion 'for myself' as I find this one click discussion a bit blown out of propertion.
I don't think users can appreciate how complex development can get and that making a DAW preset is childsplay compared to actually making a synth... But then again it's also not their job job to know it... . But from an UX point of view, NI should be able to make this happen. )

[LoveEnigma18]

For normal playing/use, I think it is best to open Super 8 in Komplete Kontrol instead of Reaktor. Just saying.

[wagtunes]

For normal playing/use, I think it is best to open Super 8 in Komplete Kontrol instead of Reaktor. Just saying.

And what is somebody supposed to do who doesn't have Komplete control?

[LoveEnigma18]

For normal playing/use, I think it is best to open Super 8 in Komplete Kontrol instead of Reaktor. Just saying.

And what is somebody supposed to do who doesn't have Komplete control?

Simple. You have to download it as a part of the free Komplete Start. Not everybody would be a fan of it, but it is really worth it in my opinion. Consider me as your friend and please try it with Komplete Kontrol instead of Reaktor for once.

By the way, just for added clarity, I mean Komplete Kontrol software only (not hardware).

[wagtunes]

For normal playing/use, I think it is best to open Super 8 in Komplete Kontrol instead of Reaktor. Just saying.

And what is somebody supposed to do who doesn't have Komplete control?

Simple. You have to download it as a part of the free Komplete Start. Not everybody would be a fan of it, but it is really worth it in my opinion. Consider me as your friend and please try it with Komplete Kontrol instead of Reaktor for once.

By the way, just for added clarity, I mean Komplete Kontrol software only (not hardware).

And will Komplete Kontrol work inside my Cubase DAW?

[wagtunes]

For normal playing/use, I think it is best to open Super 8 in Komplete Kontrol instead of Reaktor. Just saying.

And what is somebody supposed to do who doesn't have Komplete control?

Simple. You have to download it as a part of the free Komplete Start. Not everybody would be a fan of it, but it is really worth it in my opinion. Consider me as your friend and please try it with Komplete Kontrol instead of Reaktor for once.

By the way, just for added clarity, I mean Komplete Kontrol software only (not hardware).

Know what? Nevermind. I have ZERO interest in learning yet another piece of software. I'm content with my current workflow.

[EvilDragon]

I'm not familiar enough with Reaktor to do this discussion on a technical level, but with regard to directly opening a reactor ensemble, maybe we need to make a distinction between the technical level and the experience by the user.

Embedding is not needed for me, as long as one (double)click opens the synth in Reaktor.
When you open a Word document, one (double)click opens the application and then opens that document in the application. The same behavior would be quite sufficient for me. One (double)click on an (object referencing an) ensemble in your DAW opens Reaktor and then opens this synth in Reaktor. Same behaviour with drag and drop.

Surely, NI should be able to make this happen.

Drag&drop already works. Double-click on an .ens from the Explorer/Finder used to open standalone

I guess you're talking about the OS explorer and not the explorer within the DAW?
Still not the same experience. I'm talking dragging in the DAW and have it open in your DAW, like you would with a VST.

(For the record: I'm not doing this discussion 'for myself' as I find this one click discussion a bit blown out of propertion.
I don't think users can appreciate how complex development can get and that making a DAW preset is childsplay compared to actually making a synth... But then again it's also not their job job to know it... . But from an UX point of view, NI should be able to make this happen. )

If I browse to .rkplr or .ens files from Reaper's media explorer, drag&drop also works...

There might be limitations in other DAWs depending on how the browsers were made and what exactly is sent to the plugin when you double-click on something or drag&drop...


On the other hand, if you meant like directly double-clicking an .ens file in DAW's browser, then having it open Reaktor with that ensemble, that most definitely won't work. DAWs are agnostic to plugin-specific file formats. The way to do this is using track templates, really.

[EvilDragon]

And will Komplete Kontrol work inside my Cubase DAW?

Of course. It's a plugin like any other.

[ENV1]

No sire, I understand perfectly well. I was a programmer from 1984 until 2001 when I retired from the Corporate America rat race. My last project, I created medical billing software for a small company. The code was written in BASIC. The final file sent to the customers was an exe. They didn't need BASIC to run it. Just a PC running Windows. You want to claim that the BASIC compiler or language or whatever is embedded in the code that gets shipped to the customer, fine. It doesn't change the difference between running THAT program and then running a program where you FIRST have to load ANOTHER program in order to run the second one.

THAT is the difference between a SynthEdit VST and a Reaktor ensemble. And no dancing around that is going to change that.

How many years have YOU been programming code?

Tired of people talking down to me especially when it was my profession for almost half my life.

And im tired of people who think they know it all when in actuality they dont know the first thing about the subject. (And you clearly dont, otherwise you wouldnt have said something so stupid twice.)

I mean you dont even know the difference between a programming language like C++ and a VPL like SE. Yet you feel qualified to lecture ME on the subject? Are you kidding? That alone does it for me right there because its obvious that you dont even have a rudimentary understanding of the matter.

So with all due respect, dont presume to tell me how things work until you have acquired at least a modicum of knowledge and understanding yourself. I dont need to be told how this works, i already know. The one who needs help/education is you and everyone else who thinks that bringing up things like C++ is of any significance in this context. (It may come as a shock to some but 99.99% of SE modules are C++ too. And its still completely irrelevant.)

[LoveEnigma18]

For normal playing/use, I think it is best to open Super 8 in Komplete Kontrol instead of Reaktor. Just saying.

And what is somebody supposed to do who doesn't have Komplete control?

Simple. You have to download it as a part of the free Komplete Start. Not everybody would be a fan of it, but it is really worth it in my opinion. Consider me as your friend and please try it with Komplete Kontrol instead of Reaktor for once.

By the way, just for added clarity, I mean Komplete Kontrol software only (not hardware).

Know what? Nevermind. I have ZERO interest in learning yet another piece of software. I'm content with my current workflow.

This is one piece of software you should not avoid looking at. It is really, really useful. And know what? There is almost nothing to learn here. Just try it out once. If you do install, run it in standalone mode for the first time (and every time you install something new) to allow it to scan all your existing stuff. It will take a good while depending on the stuff you have, but patiently allow it to take its time to identify and tag things for you. Once done, you can have fun with it right away. It is just simplifying your things actually and allowing you to select and load many instruments/samples/loops/etc. from just one plugin. Best with NKS plugins, of course. However, you could use your MIDI controller to go a step further and map all the available controls under the MIDI panel.

TL;DR maybe, but hope it helps.

[wagtunes]

No sire, I understand perfectly well. I was a programmer from 1984 until 2001 when I retired from the Corporate America rat race. My last project, I created medical billing software for a small company. The code was written in BASIC. The final file sent to the customers was an exe. They didn't need BASIC to run it. Just a PC running Windows. You want to claim that the BASIC compiler or language or whatever is embedded in the code that gets shipped to the customer, fine. It doesn't change the difference between running THAT program and then running a program where you FIRST have to load ANOTHER program in order to run the second one.

THAT is the difference between a SynthEdit VST and a Reaktor ensemble. And no dancing around that is going to change that.

How many years have YOU been programming code?

Tired of people talking down to me especially when it was my profession for almost half my life.

And im tired of people who think they know it all when in actuality they dont know the first thing about the subject. (And you clearly dont, otherwise you wouldnt have said something so stupid twice.)

I mean you dont even know the difference between a programming language like C++ and a VPL like SE. Yet you feel qualified to lecture ME on the subject? Are you kidding? That alone does it for me right there because its obvious that you dont even have a rudimentary understanding of the matter.

So with all due respect, dont presume to tell me how things work until you have acquired at least a modicum of knowledge and understanding yourself. I dont need to be told how this works, i already know. The one who needs help/education is you and everyone else who thinks that bringing up things like C++ is of any significance in this context. (It may come as a shock to some but 99.99% of SE modules are C++ too. And its still completely irrelevant.)

Forgetting about all the technical shit which I could give a crap about as a user, here is what it comes down to and the only thing that MATTERS to the end user.

Any dll, or SE created dll.

Step 1 - Open DAW
Step 2 - Open dll

S8

Step 1 - Open DAW
Step 2 - Open Reaktor
Step 3 - Open S8 ensemble

Even a 5 year old without any programming knowledge at all can understand that with any Reaktor ensemble, it's one extra step. To the end user, that is ALL they give a shit about.

[vurt]

no one is busy enough that that step is meaningful though.
if that one step is all that's stopping people, im guessing the problem isnt with reaktor...

[wagtunes]

And don't tell me I don't understand things. I know what SynthEdit is. It's comparable to something like Adobe Flash, which I used for years. You create your Flash project and then that gets loaded into wherever. Flash itself, which is a development application is itself created from a programming language like C++. I'm not exactly sure which one. I don't care.

But to say that the Flash object has Flash in it, while technically accurate, is meaningless to any discussion about the application. The end user doesn't give a crap. All the end user cares about is what THEY have to do in order to get that Flash object to run.

Well the only thing I have to do to get my SE plugin to run is open it up in my DAW. I couldn't care less what it has or doesn't have in it. It is still no extra steps beyond opening up Diva, Dune 3 or Dipshitdoogiedoo.

It's one click. Done.

Not so with a Reaktor based ensemble.