Is it possible not to laugh when someone says calls them self a "producer"?

[Jace-BeOS]

Yeah, I don't get it. That's how I describe myself. Rather than "multi-instrumentalist, singer and sound-engineer", it's easier to just say "producer".

I just say "I make music". It's a simple statement of fact that isn't really up for interpretation. If they ask what kind of music, I say "really loud music". If they ask what instrument I play, I say "laptop, mostly". If they persist after that I point over their shoulder and say "did you see that!?!" and run away as soon as they turn their head.

Actually, the conversation goes something like this; Someone hears that I'm a musician from somebody else (normally this conversation takes place with someone I don't know while I'm at work), they say "I hear you're a musician?", I say "Yes, that's correct". They say "What do you play?", I say "I'm mostly a singer, but I can play guitar, keys and drums." Then they say "Are you in band?", Then, I say "No, I'm more of a producer, I make records at home by myself, I have a small home studio"... but at that point you've lost them and they don't know what you're talking about... and that's why they're asking me, rather than me telling them. It's quite a niche subject, I'd talk about it with musicians, but I don't really like talking about it with non-musicians. And to my musician friends I don't need to describe myself as anything.

That scenario probably all sounds quite arrogant... but yeah, I've had that conversation pretty much word for word more times than I count. In the end it's just like "Trust me... you don't really want me to talk to you about this stuff... for you it'll be boring".

I agree with all the above, even BONES’ quoted text(!!). I have gone through this Q&A multiple times. When people ask these questions, you can tell they are expecting a sort of script to play out, with only certain responses being possible (genre & instrument you play). It’s more like a Choose-your-own-Adventure, where there are only certain responses you’re allowed to make.

I then proceed to make responses that aren’t in their menu of options. Their faces make that confused Tucker Carlson dog face,

and they usually stop actively listening (and are readying their next shallow, easier line of conversation that they can feel confident about).

Indeed it is only fellow computer-using musicians who “get it”. It’s not arrogant. It’s just the collision of “shallow understanding of specialist area” with “deep understanding of specialist area”.

[vurt]

is it possible that if someone in a café or restaurant drops a plate or cup, someone there wont shout "yay!" or someone might say "sack the juggler!"?

[herodotus]

is it possible that if someone in a café or restaurant drops a plate or cup, someone there wont shout "yay!" or someone might say "sack the juggler!"?

Oh it's possible. Just don't get your heart set on seeing it happen in real life.

[schiing]

Yeah, I don't get it. That's how I describe myself. Rather than "multi-instrumentalist, singer and sound-engineer", it's easier to just say "producer".

I just say "I make music". It's a simple statement of fact that isn't really up for interpretation. If they ask what kind of music, I say "really loud music". If they ask what instrument I play, I say "laptop, mostly". If they persist after that I point over their shoulder and say "did you see that!?!" and run away as soon as they turn their head.

Actually, the conversation goes something like this; Someone hears that I'm a musician from somebody else (normally this conversation takes place with someone I don't know while I'm at work), they say "I hear you're a musician?", I say "Yes, that's correct". They say "What do you play?", I say "I'm mostly a singer, but I can play guitar, keys and drums." Then they say "Are you in band?", Then, I say "No, I'm more of a producer, I make records at home by myself, I have a small home studio"... but at that point you've lost them and they don't know what you're talking about... and that's why they're asking me, rather than me telling them. It's quite a niche subject, I'd talk about it with musicians, but I don't really like talking about it with non-musicians. And to my musician friends I don't need to describe myself as anything.

That scenario probably all sounds quite arrogant... but yeah, I've had that conversation pretty much word for word more times than I count. In the end it's just like "Trust me... you don't really want me to talk to you about this stuff... for you it'll be boring".

I agree with all the above, even BONES’ quoted text(!!). I have gone through this Q&A multiple times. When people ask these questions, you can tell they are expecting a sort of script to play out, with only certain responses being possible (genre & instrument you play). It’s more like a Choose-your-own-Adventure, where there are only certain responses you’re allowed to make.

I then proceed to make responses that aren’t in their menu of options. Their faces make that confused Tucker Carlson dog face,

and they usually stop actively listening (and are readying their next shallow, easier line of conversation that they can feel confident about).

Indeed it is only fellow computer-using musicians who “get it”. It’s not arrogant. It’s just the collision of “shallow understanding of specialist area” with “deep understanding of specialist area”.

Haha, so true - all of it! How have I not thought of this before? I should print a million calling cards with my Spotify/Soundcloud links to shut people up when I realize I'm about to start confusing them: "Here, check out what I do when you get home!"

Might as well be fantasy links, because they'll never actually do it - but it might put an end to the exchange.

[jancivil]

"What KIND of music?"

"Both kinds, of course, Country AND Western"

[jancivil]

This is just a stop which works in your imagination, it's not a fact really at all.

Que? Translation to English pls.

It
the thing you said: do you remember? You said 'you', whether that is universal or particular, have no objectivity hence the requirement for an additional person to correct 'you'.
is - hopefully you have this much -
not - I am somewhat confident this one needn't be explained
a fact, something which can in all cases be shown as true
really - another word would be 'actually' -
at all. This is emphasizing how unfactual. it might even be redundant.

you stopped the notion <one can actually have objectivity enough to not need an outside assessment> in your imagination of what everybody who does this on planet earth has the capacity for...
other uses of stop: an organ stop, you pulled that stop all the way in...
it would seem pretty f**king obvious I was saying this is your imagination of it rather than a fact, but you probably have a beef with me.

"pls", give me a break, if you're going to be snarky about usage, you could be consistent and type the extra 3 characters, yeah?

[elxsound]

one can only assume the op is suffering from acute butthurt.

This is the correct answer.

[rp314]

Producer? Isn't the new term to use to show how im-poh-tent we truly are Influencer?

[telecode]

What you may be confusing is the media industry (which encompasses a lot more than music) with the music content creation industry.

No, Im not confusing things I wasnt taking about when I was talking about other things.

But seriously, I am very curious based on what are you basing your claims the music industry exists the way it did 20 years ago?

That wasnt what I said. You said that the 'old music industry' had collapsed, and I pointed out that the revenue of the companies which comprise the 'music industry' is actually rising, and that they're basically the same large companies as they always have been.

Okay. So yes, I sort of understand where you are coming from. I think it all depends what and how you look at it. I am not convinced the "music industry" is as large as it was during the hey day of music sales era. The contribution to the labor market that the music industry contributed encompassed a lot more that the people that the music majors and publishers employed. I don't look at it as total revenue the industry is "claiming" it's making (inflation adjusted or not). I am looking at it as how much does the industry contribute to jobs in the labor market. Most of those "paying" jobs died with the old industry. In my neck of the woods, a similar thing happened with the old film industry but nowhere near as bad. Film production is still very much a physical process and people are employed locally to haul big heavy shit at 2 and 3 am in the morning, as well as various little post production services, and those unions still exist. Their employment is stimulated and dependent upon what sorts of financial incentives the local government provides to foreign film production companies. With music, that's not the case. There ain't no amount of tax break or rebate or incentive that will get someone to make records and sell music the old way again and employ locally. Technological advancements blew that boat out of the water 20 years ago.

[an-electric-heart]

Producer? Isn't the new term to use to show how im-poh-tent we truly are Influencer?

For sure, I said that at the top of this conversation. I hate the more recent terms; "Content Creator, Maker and Influencer".

HAAAAAATE THEEEM!!!

[a_Scientist]

For sure, I said that at the top of this conversation. I hate the more recent terms; "Content Creator, Maker and Influencer".

HAAAAAATE THEEEM!!!

I second this, there's another that I disliked - "Material". At least in my native language. "Wrote some new material".

[telecode]

For sure, I said that at the top of this conversation. I hate the more recent terms; "Content Creator, Maker and Influencer".

HAAAAAATE THEEEM!!!

I second this, there's another that I disliked - "Material". At least in my native language. "Wrote some new material".

I don't like "dope" being used with music. I dont like it when someone says, "I got new dope" or "this here is the dope!". If you can't smoke it, don't call it dope. End of story.

[whyterabbyt]

If you can't smoke it, don't call it dope. End of story.

Trying to smoke this will be pretty bad for your health:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_dope

[sjm]

Que? Translation to English pls.

It
the thing you said: do you remember? You said 'you', whether that is universal or particular, have no objectivity hence the requirement for an additional person to correct 'you'.
is - hopefully you have this much -
not - I am somewhat confident this one needn't be explained
a fact, something which can in all cases be shown as true
really - another word would be 'actually' -
at all. This is emphasizing how unfactual. it might even be redundant.

you stopped the notion <one can actually have objectivity enough to not need an outside assessment> in your imagination of what everybody who does this on planet earth has the capacity for...
other uses of stop: an organ stop, you pulled that stop all the way in...
it would seem pretty f**king obvious I was saying this is your imagination of it rather than a fact, but you probably have a beef with me.

"pls", give me a break, if you're going to be snarky about usage, you could be consistent and type the extra 3 characters, yeah?

Does anyone understand this?

What's your point Jan? Is it a semantic quibble about what "objective" means?

[vurt]

For sure, I said that at the top of this conversation. I hate the more recent terms; "Content Creator, Maker and Influencer".

HAAAAAATE THEEEM!!!

I second this, there's another that I disliked - "Material". At least in my native language. "Wrote some new material".

I don't like "dope" being used with music. I dont like it when someone says, "I got new dope" or "this here is the dope!". If you can't smoke it, don't call it dope. End of story.

what about 1/7th of snow whites little mates?