Huge sale on Cubase 10 - 50% off for new purchases or crossgrades

[jancivil]

I'm not saying the windows experience isn't better, in fact I would suppose it probably is, because Cubase is not coded directly to Core Audio.
But, there is a 30-day trial, unrestricted, so another user can see if it 'runs like ass' on their machine.

[jancivil]

Cubase doesn't require Steinberg hardware to run.

Cubase doesn't run if you don't attach a specific piece of hardware to your computer. So of course it requires Steinberg hardware to run.

Yeah there is a USB key, 27 bucks at Sweetwater
aka the Vienna Key which costs 2 dollars more, but it comes w. a cute little box with a soft bed for the thing. Providing a comfortable journey to the other side, a nice little coffin for $2.

[topaz]

Not here, Mac Pro 5.1 12 core running 10.13.6 is flying, and plugin count is more than double of live 9.

Suits me

and by the way there is nothing broke about my system... Sorry if this offends you that I say cubase performance sucks on a mac, but my point is not intended towards you or anyone.. it is what it is...

[jancivil]

It doesn't f**king offend me (I signaled to you I was kidding) I would just characterize that quality of discourse as <boring>,
the broad statement just doesn't agree with my experience

[Bombadil]

Not here, Mac Pro 5.1 12 core running 10.13.6 is flying, and plugin count is more than double of live 9.

Suits me

If it wasn't flying on that beast of a machine, there'd be something wrong. Most people can't afford or need such a computer.
I'm gonna stay with Logic for now. If my iMac dies before I deem it ready to go, there's a good chance I'll move away Apple, for desktops, anyways. Then I'll probably have a look at Cubase. On principle, though, I take issue with any company that makes me pay extra for their protection.

[Dewdman42]

totally not so... I have been testing Cubase10 and Logic Pro heavily with VEP this week and LogicPro is using literally half the cpu for exactly the same tracks playing.. Cubase runs like crap on mac..sorry, but that's the truth. Its a nice DAW otherwise. I'm not the only one to say that. peace.

I'm just saying that you have an individual experience and that logically, saying 'runs like crap is the truth' like it's universal truth doesn't really work.

Since I've been using it for 13 years, I have an experience as well. For some time, the latency was rather poor in comparison. It got better. It is running rather well here (not being someone that looks at CPU readouts frequently, I'm not usually tapping even all 6 cores in rather heavy projects when I do) and I wouldn't be into using the workarounds for Logic, which with AU3 are apparently a less torturous workaround.

My experience is that cubase can dropout more then logic in larger projects due to the excessive cpu hit. I noticed it the minute I installed cubase10 it just seemed to be needing more cpu then logicpro does in general. But this week I did actual disciplined testing because vep7 performance on my retina monitor also got worse compared to vep6 and especially so with cubase.

That being said I did get it to play back eventually without clicks and pops, though cpu was in the 90’s on 12 core macpro.

At the moment however, as in breaking news today, am also a little suspicious that the problem is actually not cubase, but rather cubase in combination with vep. Possibly their vst3 plugin is the problem. Because when using cubase with vep, cubase is only playing midi tracks it’s hardly doing anything, but wow cpu goes through the roof compared to logicpro combined with vep. Or it could be that both vepro and cubase suck at doing Mac gui updating for the sake of pretty meters while logicpro is apparently more efficient, especially on hi resolution retina displays. In my vep7 tests, I can drastically reduce system cpu usage by minimizing the vep gui. I haven’t tried to minimize cubase yet to see if that is the same thing.

Anyway it is foolish to dispute these results they are all over the net if you google for it. Lots of people, not just me, know that cubase performs much better on pc. Cubase, however, has some compelling features to work with, don’t get me wrong. I’m on the fence right now because of performance.

I am not holding my breathe about AU3 and vep. It’s going to be a while and from what I can tell, Apple is trying to basically cram 8 midi ports through the logic engine masqueraded as 127 midi channels or something of this nature. Based on what I have seen so far it looks like a kludge to me. Please don’t shoot me again for saying that. That’s how I see it. But I am actually happily using my reworked multiport macro templates with logicpro and vep6 and getting half the cpu use compared to cubase for the same midi tracks playing on each host. It is what it is.

[simmo75]

It works really solidly on my 2017 mac, with approximately twice the performance of Ableton Live 10.

[jancivil]

Well, right now I'm looking at 4-500 parameters automation from VEP 7, 125 tracks channels or thereabouts, and I'm not having any dropouts.
Logic is more efficient in a general sense, probably due to being coded straight to Core Audio. It's more trouble than it's worth to me. I kept it for a while to have project compatibility with video people and FCPX.

I'm not disputing your or any "results". It is rather irritating for me in general when one argues with their straw man.

When I looked at Activity Monitor (not for my own purposes but in regards to sorting it abstractly due to particular issues of Mojave OS) - right now it's Nuendo for me:

results.png

I am not tapping all 6 cores. Chances seem reasonable I'm ignorant, but my guess is when Cubendo needs to use more than one core that will read over 100%, cf., VE Pro usage. This project uses close to 500 automation parameters from VEP 7. That uses resources, IME. Nuendo 8.3.2 seems like it performs slightly better than Cubase 10 btw.
It is not a symphonic project, so let's have a clear goalpost. 50 some MIDI tracks by a quick glance, 124 channels in VEP, not counting folders.

I don't look at Cubendo's, what is it called, System Performance Meter, as a rule. Let's have a look:

system performance.png

It's running ok here.

EDIT: I would need more machine, realistically, to go full symphonic. But I am using 4 big instances of BFD3, 40 or something cymbals and that instance is using some CPU.

[jancivil]

"it is foolish to dispute these results they are all over the net if you google for it. Lots of people, not just me, know that cubase performs much better on pc."

the goalpost I had to shoot at, however, was:

cubase runs like ass on mac.

I would say it's foolish to beat up your little straw man and mistake one thing, "runs better on pc" for the other "runs like ass on mac" as being the same statement, in your own words no less.

[Dewdman42]

Yes and I still think that to be the case. There are no straw men. Have a nice day

[jancivil]

So you don't grasp what a straw man is? When you argue with a point the other person didn't make in order to win; insulting your own construct as foolish is foolish. Are you offended?

Opinion as fact, too. I didn't argue you can't think what you think.

[Dewdman42]

Yes I know what a straw man is but I haven’t used any. I have reported my results and opinion as a fair warning to Mac users. I’m done with this discussion as you are not being nice in a personal level. Have a nice day

[jancivil]

I do what? You are mischaracterizing what I wrote. It's right there to read for itself.

"cubase runs like ass on a mac" is that a fact? It's an opinion. I interrogated if as supposed fact, your opinion is another matter.

there it is demonstrated as running rather well, as a matter of fact.

[jancivil]

"Anyway it is foolish to dispute these results they are all over the net if you google for it. "
This is so nice? It's patronizing and it argues with shit I didn't say. Straw_man and personally it might be objectionable, noting your metric, calling a straw man what it is is personally too much. Check you.

[Dewdman42]

yes that was foolish also.