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[wagtunes]

But that's great. That means the latency is 100% known and a total is easy calculatable for the plugin. So the decision to not report or compensate it was not made because of technical reasons but because of *insert something here*.

because its something that cant be avoided no matter what?
for a spectral effect of any kind to work there is going to be latency.

don't want the latency? don't use the spectral bits :yay:

Well, I use MUnison (A spectral FX) on my vocals and there is no latency. At least nothing that is detectable.

[Whywhy]

Are you recording your vocals with Munison and monitoring it?

[vurt]

But that's great. That means the latency is 100% known and a total is easy calculatable for the plugin. So the decision to not report or compensate it was not made because of technical reasons but because of *insert something here*.

because its something that cant be avoided no matter what?
for a spectral effect of any kind to work there is going to be latency.

don't want the latency? don't use the spectral bits :yay:

Well, I use MUnison (A spectral FX) on my vocals and there is no latency. At least nothing that is detectable.

using it to thicken your voice?

[wagtunes]

Are you recording your vocals with Munison and monitoring it?

Okay, maybe this makes a difference. I don't know. When I record my vocals, I actually record them dry. Nothing on the vocal track at all. After I record them, I throw on all the FX and there's no latency on playback.

Now, if you're saying I would hear latency on the actual recording if I had monitoring on, okay, I get that. But even then, on playing back, the vocals SHOULD sync up with the backing track.

And by some chance it doesn't, it still doesn't matter. If I toss on MUnison AFTER recording, the vocals will play back correctly.

What they're telling me here is that EVEN if I enter the notes into the piano roll, so that there is no live playing, having MUnison as part of the FX chain inside of MSF will cause the part to play back with latency, even if I'm rendering straight to audio.

That is TOTALLY unacceptable. And THAT'S what I'm upset about. It makes the plugin unusable unless you totally avoid those FX that add latency.

I have NEVER had to do this with anything EVEN if I had to enter in the part via piano roll.

[wagtunes]

But that's great. That means the latency is 100% known and a total is easy calculatable for the plugin. So the decision to not report or compensate it was not made because of technical reasons but because of *insert something here*.

because its something that cant be avoided no matter what?
for a spectral effect of any kind to work there is going to be latency.

don't want the latency? don't use the spectral bits :yay:

Well, I use MUnison (A spectral FX) on my vocals and there is no latency. At least nothing that is detectable.

using it to thicken your voice?

More or less.

[David]

…
If MSF, with certain FX enabled, can't do this basic thing, what good is it?

…

So, by now you've demo'ed some FX in MSF that suddenly make it unusable for you, that you didn't yet discover back when you loved it?

If that's the case, then, sure, it's not for you and no reason not to critique it in public based on your experience.

Me, I'm just a poor slob for whom matters of principle really don't apply re: synths.
I simply don't use any features that don't sound good to me. If there's enough others that do, I'm happy.

I've never yet found a synth that didn't include some unusable-by-me features, and plenty of bad-sounding settings, but I still love 'em. I use 'em for what I like about them, which is different in every case, and just switch between them whenever I need what one does that another won't.

So far, in 3+ months of daily use, I haven't stumbled over latency in MSF. Not even once…

Just me, all I can report on. fwiw…

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[SoundPorn]

I thought the latency only became a talking point after the GUI wasn't enough to settle they're GAS there needed to be something else to talk out of buying it. I get it. We all gotta find ways to be frugal sometimes.

[David]

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…hope not:(

[vurt]

But that's great. That means the latency is 100% known and a total is easy calculatable for the plugin. So the decision to not report or compensate it was not made because of technical reasons but because of *insert something here*.

because its something that cant be avoided no matter what?
for a spectral effect of any kind to work there is going to be latency.

don't want the latency? don't use the spectral bits :yay:

Well, I use MUnison (A spectral FX) on my vocals and there is no latency. At least nothing that is detectable.

using it to thicken your voice?

More or less.

which is done by adding a copy of the vocals with a slight delay or "latency".
with a short buffer, you will get that kind of effect, with a longer buffer it will take time for that effect to start doing its thing.
if the effect is also in full wet position, you wont hear the input. so will hear it as a delay between pressing the key and the output.

[Tilly]

I thought the latency only became a talking point after the GUI wasn't enough to settle they're GAS there needed to be something else to talk out of buying it. I get it. We all gotta find ways to be frugal sometimes.

playing down basic design flaws and try to insult people that took their time, jumped over their own shadow to try the plugin, doesn't solve it either. Offering a bunch of fx that become useless in usual sound design work is not just a small missing feature

[wagtunes]

…
If MSF, with certain FX enabled, can't do this basic thing, what good is it?

…

So, by now you've demo'ed some FX in MSF that suddenly make it unusable for you, that you didn't yet discover back when you loved it?

If that's the case, then, sure, it's not for you and no reason not to critique it in public based on your experience.

Me, I'm just a poor slob who just doesn't use any features in synths I find that don't sound good to me; if there's enough others that do, I'm happy. I've never yet found a synth that didn't include some unusable-by-me features, and plenty of bad-sounding settings possibilities, but I still love many of them.

So far, in 3 months of daily use, I haven't stumbled over latency in MSF. Not even once…

That's just me, all I can report on.

You know, I get what you're saying. Do I have synths where I don't use every little thing in them? Plenty. 90% of the presets that come with most synths I don't use. That's because I design my own with few exceptions.

The problem is, if I wanted to use the features of other synths that I currently don't use, I could. There is no technical issue keeping me from using them other than my dislike of the feature itself.

But if there was something in a synth that I thought REALLY sounded cool and REALLY wanted to use but found out upon trying to use it that it rendered the patch unusable, yeah, I'd be pretty annoyed.

One of the major draws of MSF to me is the fact that all the Melda FX that I didn't buy, I now have inside this synth. Not being able to use them all, yeah, it's annoying.

Sure, first world problems. I get that. But if I have other synths (and I have TONS of them) that don't tie my hands if I want to use ALL their functionality, why bother with a synth that DOES tie my hands?

There has to be enough in MSF to make me go "Eh, there's enough here that I don't care about the stuff I can't use."

I'm not saying there isn't. Once I cool down I might find that there's enough here without the spectral FX. But right now, I'm puzzled at how something like this can't be fixed or that they're not even going to try.

[wagtunes]

But that's great. That means the latency is 100% known and a total is easy calculatable for the plugin. So the decision to not report or compensate it was not made because of technical reasons but because of *insert something here*.

because its something that cant be avoided no matter what?
for a spectral effect of any kind to work there is going to be latency.

don't want the latency? don't use the spectral bits :yay:

Well, I use MUnison (A spectral FX) on my vocals and there is no latency. At least nothing that is detectable.

using it to thicken your voice?

More or less.

which is done by adding a copy of the vocals with a slight delay or "latency".
with a short buffer, you will get that kind of effect, with a longer buffer it will take time for that effect to start doing its thing.
if the effect is also in full wet position, you wont hear the input. so will hear it as a delay between pressing the key and the output.

Well yeah, I understand delay. But I know how to use delay so that I'm not just hearing the wet signal and it doesn't affect my listening to the track as far as hearing "latency" which is the sound simply not coming in at the right time at all.

They're related but not the same thing. At least not in practical application.

[vurt]

my point was "check the buffer length".

[rlared]

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