FYI!! Melda SoundFactory ON SALE til JUNE 30

[dionenoid]

Damn, this thread is making some weird turns

Demoed MSF for a while, obviously needs lots of updates and has some major design flaws, but in the end it sounds good and works for me, been able to make some interesting sounds with it, so i bought it.

But some of that fanatic fanboyism is really scary. I'm almost ashamed to say that i bought MSF

[JunSev]

Damn, this thread is making some weird turns

Demoed MSF for a while, obviously needs lots of updates and has some major design flaws, but in the end it sounds good and works for me, been able to make some interesting sounds with it, so i bought it.

But some of that fanatic fanboyism is really scary. I'm almost ashamed to say that i bought MSF

Yeah, because is famboysm when you support a developer or a company, but is perfectly ok to talk negatively about the company or developer bashing always trying to condition the opinions with "they are the bad guys way, don't even support them, don't even use these products" attitude. That's really disgusting.

You see companies here almost praised in a very overrated way and others are bashed any single time is mentioned, that's not right; we should understand they are working to progress too, that is not always considered or respected.

[sfd]

Some people really have a hard time facing that others just don't like their pets.

And of course anyone who don't like their pets is evil who just bash.

This is common low level thinking among those who divides people into "we" and "them".

[Niowiad]

How is this for common low level thinking among those who divides people into "we" and "them"?

Nice try Melda.
But...sorry I'm not in for this gimmick either...I'm a musician.

[mevla]

Some people really have a hard time facing that others just don't like their pets. And of course anyone who don't like their pets is evil who just bash. This is common low level thinking among those who divides people into "we" and "them".

I've read most of the thread and contributed some replies, and didn't see this 'pet' attitude. You really sure you can elevate yourself above the "we" and "them" type of thing ?

By the way, isn't your partner Lotuzia, found from your signature, involved with synths and more specifically with Xils synths ?

[GusGranite]

As a bit of a newcomer to KVR I am surprised by the negativity in this thread for what looks to be a really exciting plugin beta released at a good intro price. I know I haven't built up any respect for my opinion on this forum but I just want to share that this is not very inviting for someone new to the forum. The negativity in this thread comes across as disrespectful to the developer and just makes me want to go back to lurking, to be honest.

Not that anyone needs to give two hoots about what I think but I thought it was worth sharing none the less.

[wagtunes]

Damn, this thread is making some weird turns

Demoed MSF for a while, obviously needs lots of updates and has some major design flaws, but in the end it sounds good and works for me, been able to make some interesting sounds with it, so i bought it.

But some of that fanatic fanboyism is really scary. I'm almost ashamed to say that i bought MSF

Yeah, because is famboysm when you support a developer or a company, but is perfectly ok to talk negatively about the company or developer bashing always trying to condition the opinions with "they are the bad guys way, don't even support them, don't even use these products" attitude. That's really disgusting.

You see companies here almost praised in a very overrated way and others are bashed any single time is mentioned, that's not right; we should understand they are working to progress too, that is not always considered or respected.

Okay, ENOUGH!

I own several Melda products.

MUnison
MTurboDelay
MTurboReverb
MPowerSynth

And will be purchasing MSoundFactory

But giving an honest criticism of a product's shortcomings is NOT BASHING.

What is a consumer supposed to do with any product made in this world? Just accept it for what it is, say nothing negative, and make no suggestions on how it can be improved? If we did that throughout history, we'd still be on betamax, taking polaroids and driving an Edsel.

If a company makes something that has flaws, the consumer has EVERY RIGHT TO POINT OUT THOSE FLAWS and hope that the company MAKES IMPROVEMENTS.

So get off your f**king high horse.

Yes, the fanbois around this place drive me absolutely crazy,

[Spencer Maddox]

Despite never posting until now I’ve checked this Thread a lot and every time I see it it gets worse and worse

As a bit of a newcomer to KVR I am surprised by the negativity in this thread for what looks to be a really exciting plugin beta released at a good intro price. I know I haven't built up any respect for my opinion on this forum but I just want to share that this is not very inviting for someone new to the forum. The negativity in this thread comes across as disrespectful to the developer and just makes me want to go back to lurking, to be honest.

Not that anyone needs to give two hoots about what I think but I thought it was worth sharing none the less.

Welcome to KVR!
I’m the same way.
For 99$ (As of now) this plugin is as powerful as Stuff like Ohmisphere and Falcon that cost like 400$ and 500$.
Don’t like it? Don’t buy it Haha.
I mean I’m not Probably buying it because I don’t need more of these SuperSynths when I have Falcon and Synth-master to be my overkill everything powerhouses but man if I didn’t have those 2 or I had the extra money I’d be ALL OVER this thing.
Some workflow issues can be fixed, the product itself is incredible.

Also when NI released a solid new Retro Synth and everyone acts like their evil because Reaktor.
Or when people went haywire on Urs because the Repro was monophonic, literally to the point where he scraped plans for different plugins just to create a multiVoice version.
Just the moan culture is groanworthy
We have access to stuff people 30 years ago would be Desperate to have. Stuff people have taken years of their life to make at a reasonable price.
Fully functional powerful synthesizers and instruments that can be carried Around in your laptop. Any sound we could imagine is possible.

But wait...nope hold on...the LFOs open on a different page.

Nevermind then.
Follow me guys we’re going back to the prehistoric age to hit Rocks with sticks, or mabye go to a time even older, like Using Rfex Vanguard or somthing.

[mevla]

If a company makes something that has flaws, the consumer has EVERY RIGHT TO POINT OUT THOSE FLAWS and hope that the company MAKES IMPROVEMENTS. So get off your f**king high horse.
Yes, the fanbois around this place drive me absolutely crazy,

I still do not now about 'fanbois' but isn't the formulation itself of criticism important ? Like this comment by sfd which I presume you wouldn't put into that 'fanbois' camp, but perhaps more into the "EVERY RIGHT" camp:

"Nice try Melda.
But...sorry I'm not in for this gimmick either...I'm a musician. "

And that was the whole comment. Reacting to such a blunt comment, 'fanbois' or not, is pretty much a human reaction. The principle is used daily by medias towards the masses, to provoke reactions and bypass thinking.

So after such a blunt statement, seeing reactions is pretty much normal.

Are these reactions calling for focusing people into camps of 'fanbois' and "EVERY RIGHT" ? I think not.

[wagtunes]

If a company makes something that has flaws, the consumer has EVERY RIGHT TO POINT OUT THOSE FLAWS and hope that the company MAKES IMPROVEMENTS. So get off your f**king high horse.
Yes, the fanbois around this place drive me absolutely crazy,

I still do not now about 'fanbois' but isn't the formulation itself of criticism important ? Like this comment by sfd which I presume you wouldn't put into that 'fanbois' camp, but perhaps more into the "EVERY RIGHT" camp:

"Nice try Melda.
But...sorry I'm not in for this gimmick either...I'm a musician. "

And that was the whole comment. Reacting to such a blunt comment, 'fanbois' or not, is pretty much a human reaction. The principle is used daily by medias towards the masses, to provoke reactions and bypass thinking.

So after such a blunt statement, seeing reactions is pretty much normal.

Are these reactions calling for focusing people into camps of 'fanbois' and "EVERY RIGHT" ? I think not.

I don't care what SFD said. I'm talking about the people who simply said the user interface is poor and needs fixing. These people are called bashers and it's ridiculous. I don't see how any rational, sane person can defend Melda's UI decisions. They are an abomination. I put up with them because I love the capabilities of their products. But that doesn't change what's inherently wrong with them.

[mevla]

I don't care what SFD said. I'm talking about the people who simply said the user interface is poor and needs fixing.

You see, that'd be the way the debate would then follow: by actually using references. By actually describing what we are debating about.

If that was a debate.

These people are called bashers and it's ridiculous.

Well, 'bash' was used a total of 3 times so far in this topic. Plus 1 quote, mine. To the sense to you give it, it was used once to describe others .... by SFD, which I've then quoted. Two other times it was used by JunSev to describe the negative attitude in 'criticizing'.

I don't see how any rational, sane person can defend Melda's UI decisions. They are an abomination. [...]

To call these decisions an abomination and then to stroll away and be surprised by 'reactions' ?

We are not diplomats, but come on.

[wagtunes]

I don't care what SFD said. I'm talking about the people who simply said the user interface is poor and needs fixing.

You see, that'd be the way the debate would then follow: by actually using references. By actually describing what we are debating about.

If that was a debate.

These people are called bashers and it's ridiculous.

Well, 'bash' was used a total of 3 times so far in this topic. Plus 1 quote, mine. To the sense to you give it, it was used once to describe others .... by SFD, which I've then quoted. Two other times it was used by JunSev to describe the negative attitude in 'criticizing'.

I don't see how any rational, sane person can defend Melda's UI decisions. They are an abomination. [...]

To call these decisions an abomination and then to stroll away and be surprised by 'reactions' ?

We are not diplomats, but come on.

In a day and age where MOST companies go out of their way to make the user experience as EASY as possible, YES, the Melda UI decisions are abominations. And I am a user of their products. I made a 300 patch library for MPS.

Do you have any idea what kind of a NIGHTMARE that was?

Being totally objective and as an outsider to this product type in general, coming from another piece of software like Photoshop, which is a great example, I'd say Melda's goal was to discourage users from doing any programming with their products and just use the presets. That's how bad the UI is.

So yes, abomination is a perfect description for this train wreck of a UI.

Sorry if that offends you.

[SparkySpark]

Wag - Photoshop? Really? The most successful terrible UI on Earth.

Anyway, newcomer, welcome to KVR! It is only Melda who gets this heat. One reason is his lack of humbility, that really puts people off. But he is a genius and they aren't always easy. That said, Vojtech is very friendly, it is just the marketing hype that can feel a bit tiresome.

The UIs are actually quite good nowadays. The fact that they look the same across the Melda product range is not only a bad thing, it's called internal consistency for a reason.

[mevla]

In a day and age where MOST companies go out of their way to make the user experience as EASY as possible, YES, the Melda UI decisions are abominations. And I am a user of their products. I made a 300 patch library for MPS. Do you have any idea what kind of a NIGHTMARE that was?

No idea. I'm very clear about it. I mentioned it here, as well as in the Melda forum: I did not catch onto the MPS. I find it too cold, there's some kind of velocity curve default that makes it sluggishly different from all other synths I have, and the sounds by themselves, with their coldness upon which modulations are added tend to produce a jerky type of result.

This said, 1) I use a lot of Melda's audio processing plugins, as well as MDrummer and 2) Now that I spent some hours with MFS (interwoven with some entertainment provided by this thread here, but also by u-he's Hive2 presentation and comments) I can foresee, for the use I do of synths which is not sound design (although I do try to get to know the synths for learning synthesis) that MSF can become part of the regular synth arsenal. Unless, the final version tries to reproduce faithfully the sounds of the MPS, in which case it could be a deception.

Being totally objective and as an outsider to this product type in general, coming from another piece of software like Photoshop, which is a great example, I'd say Melda's goal was to discourage users from doing any programming with their products and just use the presets. That's how bad the UI is. So yes, abomination is a perfect description for this train wreck of a UI.

As I am using Melda products, and as many others do, I actually find that the UI is quite creative. Since you made a parallel with another software, I'd say creative in the emacs sense. Or closer to music, in the Renoise sense. Lots of possibilities for a creative spirit who wants to delve into, a chunk at a time while still be perfectly usable for regular use.

Sorry if that offends you.

I can't say I'm also sorry to see that you link so aptly emotions to this, moreover on the behalf of a stranger, since this is also a common attitude, unfortunately. And one that's also not exactly linked to this concept of diplomacy.

This said, there's enough fuel in here for a new song, isn't it ? (And I'm saying that to myself too )

[rlared]

Yeah people definitely either love or hate the interface. I like it for the effects but not for instruments.