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[Niowiad]

And the FM module does have a matrix. Or have I misunderstood? Maybe that panel is collapsed?

Yes, I also don't undestand.
It has an FM matrix and I'm also enjoying it a lot, as an FM8/Sytrus/Blue2 user.
The ability to quickly modulate each slot is also a big plus for workflow.

[JunSev]

Most major conflict in threads origins in a skirmish between those who likes and those who dislikes something.

Nah, this superficial description does not hold. It's by the way these likes and dislikes are expressed. Crucial difference.

Saying something akin to "Nice try for the gimmick Melda, but I'm a musician" or "the UI is an abomination" are not proper ways and will naturally generate reactions that will, as the original comments are inviting to, largely bypass thinking to get to (possibly pent up) emotions. And it can snowball from there and one tool used is to put people into camps.

Conflicts do not happen simply by expressing likes and dislikes. It is by the way they are expressed.

Exactly, this is the point some people seems not understand.

And really some of them think that their reasoning is the logic way.

No one said that the different opinions are not respected or considered, is the way how some people are trying to put everything as a hopeless project, is clear, and that's why it looks really like hate against the developer and no as constructive suggestion, almost all Melda threads. Don't get me wrong, Melda pluggins are so advanced and versatile that not everyone will like it, but that's why is especial, that's why is so unique; if I were looking for the same thing over and over I would look somewhere, but no, I like advanced stuffs all around possibilities, if it needs learning curve, all good, I like to learn, some people will like that, others not, ok. But not to like something shouldn't mean put all things as a hopeless development because is not, the guy was working precisely trying to improve the interface in the newer version of his plug-ins, he is clearly doing his best and offering his high quality creations at an affordable price, some people really should be more polite and considered.

[exponent1]

And the FM module does have a matrix. Or have I misunderstood? Maybe that panel is collapsed?

Yes, I also don't undestand.
It has an FM matrix and I'm also enjoying it a lot, as an FM8/Sytrus/Blue2 user.
The ability to quickly modulate each slot is also a big plus for workflow.

They want it to look and behave (in other words clone) the Sytrus and/or FM8 operator matrix

[exponent1]

Is there a way to use this plugin as a standalone software without a host?

[agharta]

Is there a way to use this plugin as a standalone software without a host?

No.

[fmr]

Is there a way to use this plugin as a standalone software without a host?

No.

Well, kind of. If you don't mind using SaviHost, it's basically as if the plug-ins was standalone:

http://www.hermannseib.com/english/savihost.htm

[sfd]

Most major conflict in threads origins in a skirmish between those who likes and those who dislikes something.

Nah, this superficial description does not hold. It's by the way these likes and dislikes are expressed. Crucial difference.

Saying something akin to "Nice try for the gimmick Melda, but I'm a musician" or "the UI is an abomination" are not proper ways and will naturally generate reactions that will, as the original comments are inviting to, largely bypass thinking to get to (possibly pent up) emotions. And it can snowball from there and one tool used is to put people into camps.

Conflicts do not happen simply by expressing likes and dislikes. It is by the way they are expressed.

Yes, of course. Obviously (and that's why I didn't printed it out) it comes down to expression. It's a part of the nature of a conflict.

My point was / is that those who express opinions with negative values fall short and easily becomes demonized by those expressing positive values.

Naturally one would think. They just say bad things - right ?

Consider this:

"He is a wonderful husband an a loving and caring father fighting for his country - we love him"

"This man is a devilish pig and a murderer of inocent people - we hate him"

The one expressing the later doesn't sounds like a nice guy. One wouldn't get upset by the former but very well by the later.

And so , the former hit the later in his head with positive values. Not necessarily meaning he's right. Not necessarily meaning he's not the one escalating the conflict.

So, things are not always as trivial as "we the positive and, therefore, the good guys who're right" and "them the negative , and therefore, bad guy's who're worng".

[mevla]

Is there a way to use this plugin as a standalone software without a host?

No, although very recently Tone2 has released the free NanoHost which does just that with any plugin.

https://www.tone2.com/nanohost.html

[exponent1]

My point was / is that those who express opinions with negative values fall short and easily becomes demonized by those expressing positive values.

Naturally one would think. They just say bad things - right ?

Consider this:

"He is a wonderful husband an a loving and caring father fighting for his country - we love him"

"This man is a devilish pig and a murderer of inocent people - we hate him"

The one expressing the later doesn't sounds like a nice guy. One wouldn't get upset by the former but very well by the later.

And so , the former hit the later in his head with positive values. Not necessarily meaning he's right. Not necessarily meaning he's not the one escalating the conflict.

So, things are not always as trivial as "we the positive and, therefore, the good guys who're right" and "them the negative , and therefore, bad guy's who're worng".

You're so wrong about this. What you totally missed is a thing called context or perspective.

Let's suppose the sentences that you quoted were said about say "Bin Laden", which one of those 2 sentences were most likely to evoke a negative emotion in you or others? Would anyone call you negative or evil for saying "This man is a devilish pig and a murderer of innocent people - we hate him" ?

Remember, context or perspective.

If you bad mouth a truly bad person/thing/occurrence, no one will call you bad or negative. But in the current context, you're bad-mouthing an ambitious and remarkable piece of software that is currently in beta and is meant for sound-designers who like the way it works. If it's too complicated for you, go ahead and don't use it. No one has forced you to use it or pay for it. Move on, instead of returning with your philosophical comebacks.

Focus on your music instead. Time and resources well-spent.

[mevla]

My point was / is that those who express opinions with negative values fall short and easily becomes demonized by those expressing positive values. Naturally one would think. They just say bad things - right ?

Well, not really since there are interests at play. And by that I don't mean lobbying-like. I mean here we have a business that has produced quite a substantial range of products over the years. It's actually quite impressive, the number of plugins made by Melda Production. I don't know all the plugin companies out there, but that amount is quite something. The Melda directory on the computer has 117 .dll. I've barely scratched the surface but, I know that the basics I've learned so far can be applied to every other plugin. And some people like using those plugins, they can advance with their creativity, mixes and mastering using those plugins. I myself uses them for audio processing, as well as MDrummer, but not exclusively. Each plugin from every company has its own character, from the cheapest to the most fancy.

To go back to the interests, people get involved with what they do. You are, everybody is, mostly, to various degrees. So again, the expression can trigger the links to those interests. And, that's without mentioning that Melda itself is an interest, a business interest, like all other businesses. Like an artist whose interest is to see his/her music be known so that there are more chances for people to listen to it and eventually finding people who likes the music. That on a musical forum who writes about your tunes: "Nice try for this gimmick, but I'm a music lover" will trigger reactions from your fans.

You're partly right, I find, with the two-man example. As you mentioned, the 'good' one might not be necessarily right. And how do we find out ? By the context. This is why I find the example is partly right: it lacks context, a context that might be very well known at the time of expression. That the loving and caring father is fighting for instance for Democracy and Liberty by participating in the destruction of a country, with all destroyed families, children killed, will certainly "stain" the nice statement quite strongly.

It's not really abstract, and rather has a lot of other components involved.

As you concluded:

So, things are not always as trivial as "we the positive and, therefore, the good guys who're right" and "them the negative , and therefore, bad guy's who're worng".

Indeed. But again, I'm afraid that the way things are said plays quite an important role, in this non-abstract world "contaminated" by so many other factors.

[exponent1]

Is there a way to use this plugin as a standalone software without a host?

No, although very recently Tone2 has released the free NanoHost which does just that with any plugin.

https://www.tone2.com/nanohost.html

Thanks man! This looks really nice.

[gentleclockdivider]

Mis-alignment is just bad user interface design

[mevla]

But not to like something shouldn't mean put all things as a hopeless development because is not, the guy was working precisely trying to improve the interface in the newer version of his plug-ins, he is clearly doing his best and offering his high quality creations at an affordable price, some people really should be more polite and considered.

Indeed. It seems that the thread here has taken a slightly better turn. We don't see that too often And it's not about everyone agreeing, but rather about stepping back just a bit.

[wagtunes]

My point was / is that those who express opinions with negative values fall short and easily becomes demonized by those expressing positive values.

Naturally one would think. They just say bad things - right ?

Consider this:

"He is a wonderful husband an a loving and caring father fighting for his country - we love him"

"This man is a devilish pig and a murderer of inocent people - we hate him"

The one expressing the later doesn't sounds like a nice guy. One wouldn't get upset by the former but very well by the later.

And so , the former hit the later in his head with positive values. Not necessarily meaning he's right. Not necessarily meaning he's not the one escalating the conflict.

So, things are not always as trivial as "we the positive and, therefore, the good guys who're right" and "them the negative , and therefore, bad guy's who're worng".

You're so wrong about this. What you totally missed is a thing called context or perspective.

Let's suppose the sentences that you quoted were said about say "Bin Laden", which one of those 2 sentences were most likely to evoke a negative emotion in you or others? Would anyone call you negative or evil for saying "This man is a devilish pig and a murderer of innocent people - we hate him" ?

Remember, context or perspective.

If you bad mouth a truly bad person/thing/occurrence, no one will call you bad or negative. But in the current context, you're bad-mouthing an ambitious and remarkable piece of software that is currently in beta and is meant for sound-designers who like the way it works. If it's too complicated for you, go ahead and don't use it. No one has forced you to use it or pay for it. Move on, instead of returning with your philosophical comebacks.

Focus on your music instead. Time and resources well-spent.

I am not bad mouthing a piece of software. I use and love Melda plugins. I am bad mouthing an obnoxious interface. No one in their right mind can say "This is a GREAT interface" unless they are nothing more than a fanbois who can't say anything bad about their precious child.

It's like the mother of a boy who just shot up a classroom of 30 kids saying "He's a good boy" because she can't see him for who he is.

Melda's UIs are obnoxious. The only reason I put up with is that the functionality of the software they are attached to is about the best out there. TurboDelay and TurboReverb are especially off the charts nuts. But I hate working with their UIs.

Again, they are obnoxious.

Nobody can tell me they're not.

[mevla]

Mis-alignment is just bad user interface design

It is still in beta. Since you do write in the Melda forum, a suggestion would be to please report it there (although the misalignment it's obvious, isn't it).

While at it, and since I haven't explored the FM approach yet, I did nevertheless noticed that here all parameters are put in one place. With Sytrus for instance, as soon as one gets over the nice matrix aspect, other parameters must be fetched elsewhere.