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[DarkStar]

And the FM module does have a matrix. Or have I misunderstood? Maybe that panel is collapsed?

Yes, I also don't undestand.
It has an FM matrix and I'm also enjoying it a lot, as an FM8/Sytrus/Blue2 user.
The ability to quickly modulate each slot is also a big plus for workflow.

They want it to look and behave (in other words clone) the Sytrus and/or FM8 operator matrix

And then people will say that Vojtech has just ripped off the ideas from those plug-ins. As has been done in the past.

Mis-alignment (Operator and Matrix panels) is just bad user interface design

I have already made a suggestion about that to Vojtech.

[DarkStar]

Anyway, I would really like to see any constructive ideas about improving the user interface; not the graphics, but the functionality. Can someone post some links to replies in this thread or their suggestions?

[JunSev]

Aah... another day, another Melda thread.

Starts with a group of people talking about a new plugin from their favourite dev, and ends up with this:

Any victim of 9/11 would certainly have some very bad feelings evoked by positive expressions of Ben Laden.

To the Melda supporters (Mevla, JunSev etc):
I think you need to stop being so easily triggered, and so defensive with the people who don't like the software.
I'm not saying you are wrong to speak your mind, but think about it. You are having arguments that last for page after page, only because you feel the need to defend Vojtech against every negative comment.
If you let these people just make their comment and move on, maybe you can return to having a thread where you can discuss the software?

I love my Melda bundle, but even for me, when i see you instinctively jumping in to defend against every attack, it makes me think "oh, here we go again".

We all know that a Melda thread attracts these types of comments.
These people tell us it's because they don't like the UI, but unfortunately, they want to KEEP telling us that, even though they know that literally every Melda thread devolves into just that topic.

Why? Maybe because his plugins are so in-depth that other companies see him as a potential destroyer of worlds?? (It probably doesn't help that the Melda crack has always been notoriously buggy, but let's not go there).

Well, whatever the reason, I think your stance is not helping the situation at all

Just let them say their piece and move out. And if they wont move out, then you can call them out for the troll they are.

Yes _al_ I get your point, but you have to understand the reasons for our reactions and the clear proves of these behaviors we see so often, I said is ok if people don't like the pluggins, these pluggins are not for everyone; but it should be clear to everyone sometimes there is more in these comments (and I say not all of them) that doesn't have any helpful suggestions. The UI thing has been discussed for ever yet they have to jump and discredit the developer as an only money seeker that doesn't listen its user base and more things that clearly are not true.

Another false claim saying that the MSF is un-intuitive, yet I dont find any difficult to put a generator and some effects, and already create a preset tweaking the envelopes, therefore is not a situation of all people, is just that is not for everyone, is understood.

[Soundplex]

And then people will say that Vojtech has just ripped off the ideas from those plug-ins. As has been done in the past.

Because he did You as a deep community member should know this.

Sometimes I feel the fanboys want topics to derail so that they can say: poor poor dev It'S he against all others

[SoundPorn]

Just curious because this is a common angle. A person going from GarageBand to Cubase is probably going to feel overwhelmed, initially, but does that make GarageBand better? What information is present that obstructs the information you need? How would a light, tweakable, preset version not make it easier to use for those not into sound design?

...and that's what the haters and people with hiden intentionality want: get off topic, enter in philosophical argument and provoke close of threads or something. If mods have to take measures is against the people trying to derail the thread, basically because that is manipulation from some particular persons.

You have some serious issues man. Reading already 31 pages (seems like a good day for melda so much attention) and you regularly came up with some conspiracies against a couple of members

I demoed it and it definitely has big flaws. I feel overwhelmed by all the symbols and little fonts. Too much information for things I don't need vey often, yet they're present all the time. On the other hand easy things like the arp are hidden or modules have to be popped out to use them at all. Btw don't know why there has been a new fancy style, I thought v12 Titanium was at least not crazy colored. I don't think having Kontakt or Synthmaster like player versions will make any serious difference here, it will always only be tweakable or really usable for a small group of people.

Soundwise it really is clean, digital. Some like that, some don't. The amount of fx is okay, but we have to face some will disappear again. Though it should be of endless posibilities I feel kind of restricted - feedback or simple per voice modulations make my cpu squeek. But I got some interesting results with it. I don't think it has a chance to stand in the typical "edm synth" corner, other synths can get good sounding results quicker and easier. For sound design and fx I think it has a place.

[sfd]

J - You sho8uld consider other's reactions on your endless conspiracy ideas, insinuations and your habit to put words in other's mouths.

Saying MSF is un-intuitive is not a false claim. It's an opinion.

....respectfully.

[DarkStar]

now for something completely different:

i am with stupid when it comes to preset management, not always.. but still make i mess of it, although i can always find my presets and even backup them... chaotic being...

i am new to the preset management of melda.
i made simple sound, quite nice, but... saved it as a device... it comes in the right folder.
i made a new sound, just for trying out presets, and it was again, by accident, haha, a sound that i can develop.
now i saved it the right way, i can see it the preset list, in a new folder.

but how does melda stores it presets, and why can't i import that "instrument" file, device, it is on my drive, twice... tried from another directory.

also i do not see the second preset present on my drive, it stored in another way, i guess, then a just a file.

2 questions; how can i load the first preset, that doesn't show up in the preset list, and importing from directory, refuses to.. import..

and how can i backup my own presets? because the presets are on my boot drive, and that is not the place where i like them, but that is no problem; for example the user presets for the arturia synths, are stored in a folder, per instrument, and those folders i backup regurarly.

when i can store presets on another drive, it automatically will be on a back-up.

In MSF there are two main types of presets: Presets (sometimes called Global Presets) and Devices. Presets may or may not have an Easy screen. Both main types are saved from the Edit screen.
-- click [Presets] to open the Preset browser. There you can build your own folder hierarchy. load and manage preset or Export / Import a folder of presets.
-- click [Save device] to save the current build as a Device. In that browser you can again build your own folder hierarchy, manage the devices, add search tags, your details and a description. That device will then be listed on the Devices Browser for selection.

Both types of presets are stored in files tucked away from users. Devices are saved as individual .mInstrument files. Presets are stored together in a single file for MSF. If I want to get just one Device or Preset, I load it, save it as a Preset into a preset folder, named "Export" and Export that folder to my Desktop.

HTH

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Edit: Oops I forgot about "Device Presets"
These can be considered as particular sets of parameter values for a Device.

A Device or a (Global) Presets in MSF is a particular combination of modules.

[mevla]

Sometimes I feel the fanboys want topics to derail so that they can say: poor poor dev It'S he against all others

As I mentioned, categories are made as reactive tools. You support categories. On the other hand, you seem to have a good ability for drama, which is certainly a plus in making music.

This will end up in HPC soon,...

Have no idea what HPC is.

To the Melda supporters (Mevla, JunSev etc): I think you need to stop being so easily triggered, and so defensive with the people who don't like the software. I'm not saying you are wrong to speak your mind, but think about it. You are having arguments that last for page after page, only because you feel the need to defend Vojtech against every negative comment.

While there's some truth about "just letting it go" as any elementary school teacher can tell, as far as I'm concerned this is not:

1) about being triggered (you know what being triggered really is ?)
2) about defending Vojtech

I'm perhaps sorry that you see it as that. Maybe.

It's more about something akin to :"hey people, look at how you are expressing your criticism" and that principle, as well as the underlying looming solution to the problem, is rather about stepping back (as I already mentioned) just a tad.

So if you like labels on strangers, a possible one to put on me would be "defender of a more balanced way of expressing likes and dislikes". Then I could get a t-shirt made with a big "D" on it.

These people tell us it's because they don't like the UI, but unfortunately, they want to KEEP telling us that,

Don't know. They may or may not. I personally think that people in general can mend their views and expressions, if only a bit. ... Do you ?

I also do not know that every Melda thread degenerates like this. This is actually the very first thread I read about a Melda product outside the KVR Melda forum.

I do not read threads in Instrument much at all. Don't have the time to do that. Amongst other things I also spend time trying to learn how to mix and master. So this one thread here is ... interesting from the perspective of human expressions.

Well, whatever the reason, I think your stance is not helping the situation at all

I do not agree. I find that even a tiny tiny tiny slight amount of suggestion to thinking that oh, it can better to step back just a bit, can be worthwhile in making a place better. There's no quantitative measure to put on this though.

The example with the elementary school teacher saying just to let the bully do his thing is of course a well-known one. Is it adapted to modern communication medias ? Not so sure. It could be that the teacher could get overwhelmed by the sheer amount of bullies.

(And that is said w/o making any link between 'bully' and participants here. Just in case some people are prompt to extrapolate. I do not know them and it could be that we could have a good time in person)

[v1o]

There’s something that puts me about this company. One is the huge graphic interfaces. The other if I recall correctly is their installer. Last time I tried one of their plugins it literally installed all their plugins.

[tylerdedera]

If we make a device/instrument (whatever you call it) and share it through the online presets will it load as a device or just a preset (like the MPS presets already there without the device screen)?
And if it will load as a device with the module screen, will the presets that we make within the specific device load after sending it through the online exchange?

I just posted a couple of things to the Online Exchange to test this. One is a Global Preset with no associated Device (Flangowacko), and the other is a Device with a couple of Instrument presets (Bartok w FX). And there's a 2nd version of Bartok… called Bartok w FX Fixed?, because the first one was still affected by a bug that's hopefully now fixed, in which GPresets would be saved with a different associated Device and would load with the wrong Instrument presets (I know, all totally confusing). The "fix" in the second version corrects this, I hope. I loaded the RIGHT device while the original GPreset was loaded, and sent it out with that name change, and it appeared to be OK when loaded back in from the Online download; (whew…)

Would be glad to hear back from anyone about if the fix worked.

So I see the ‘FlangoWhack #1’ & the ‘Bartok Plus w FX Fixed?’ presets. It looks like the Flango does have a couple device screen knobs and the Bartok does not have any presets within it. I notice that the ‘Bass Chops’ is the only one in the online exchange that has presets, but I don’t know if I can only see them because they’re saved on my computer. Do any presets show up for you in the Bass Chops preset?

Been having a blast with this thing. Spent the day yesterday making a little wave table synth. So much fun! Difficult to understand what all the melodramatic hyperbole is about in this thread. I guess I’m a “fanboi” or whatever lol

[WasteLand]

now for something completely different:

i am with stupid when it comes to preset management, not always.. but still make i mess of it, although i can always find my presets and even backup them... chaotic being...

i am new to the preset management of melda.
i made simple sound, quite nice, but... saved it as a device... it comes in the right folder.
i made a new sound, just for trying out presets, and it was again, by accident, haha, a sound that i can develop.
now i saved it the right way, i can see it the preset list, in a new folder.

but how does melda stores it presets, and why can't i import that "instrument" file, device, it is on my drive, twice... tried from another directory.

also i do not see the second preset present on my drive, it stored in another way, i guess, then a just a file.

2 questions; how can i load the first preset, that doesn't show up in the preset list, and importing from directory, refuses to.. import..

and how can i backup my own presets? because the presets are on my boot drive, and that is not the place where i like them, but that is no problem; for example the user presets for the arturia synths, are stored in a folder, per instrument, and those folders i backup regurarly.

when i can store presets on another drive, it automatically will be on a back-up.

In MSF there are two main types of presets: Presets (sometimes called Global Presets) and Devices. Presets may or may not have an Easy screen. Both main types are saved from the Edit screen.
-- click [Presets] to open the Preset browser. There you can build your own folder hierarchy. load and manage preset or Export / Import a folder of presets.
-- click [Save device] to save the current build as a Device. In that browser you can again build your own folder hierarchy, manage the devices, add search tags, your details and a description. That device will then be listed on the Devices Browser for selection.

Both types of presets are stored in files tucked away from users. Devices are saved as individual .mInstrument files. Presets are stored together in a single file for MSF. If I want to get just one Device or Preset, I load it, save it as a Preset into a preset folder, named "Export" and Export that folder to my Desktop.

HTH

thank you, for your detailed answer, it is like calmly talking, while war is going in this thread... this helps a lot, and problably i thought it was this direction, but sometimes it is time to ask, a simple question, instead of going by trial and error, and then you know it. so thanks again for your time, within a thread, again?, in ashes...

[Niowiad]

Anyway, I would really like to see any constructive ideas about improving the user interface; not the graphics, but the functionality. Can someone post some links to replies in this thread or their suggestions?

I think bmanic made a good point about the interface in the additive module or modal filter.
Having the ability to click-and-drag affecting a parameter for multiple partials in the list with a single mouse stroke would improve the workflow considerably. As it is now it's very slow.
Also, being able to play with the partial's phase would be good.

Another thing which just came on top of my head right now is showing filter cutoff point values in Hz, rather than octaves. That's just weird

[WasteLand]

Anyway, I would really like to see any constructive ideas about improving the user interface; not the graphics, but the functionality. Can someone post some links to replies in this thread or their suggestions?

I think bmanic made a good point about the interface in the additive module or modal filter.
Having the ability to click-and-drag affecting a parameter for multiple partials in the list with a single mouse stroke would improve the workflow considerably. As it is now it's very slow.

Another thing which just came on top of my head right now is showing filter cutoff point values in Hz, rather than octaves. That's just weird

in the additive mode, you have structures, you can make 4 structures, and... if you open a structure, you get a graph, of all the partials, you can drag each partials, to a location, and it's level, if i am correct. that's the way i am doing additive right now, in MSF, with added advance, more structures; more possibilities.

[Niowiad]

Anyway, I would really like to see any constructive ideas about improving the user interface; not the graphics, but the functionality. Can someone post some links to replies in this thread or their suggestions?

I think bmanic made a good point about the interface in the additive module or modal filter.
Having the ability to click-and-drag affecting a parameter for multiple partials in the list with a single mouse stroke would improve the workflow considerably. As it is now it's very slow.

Another thing which just came on top of my head right now is showing filter cutoff point values in Hz, rather than octaves. That's just weird

in the additive mode, you have structures, you can make 4 structures, and... if you open a structure, you get a graph, of all the partials, you can drag each partials, to a location, and it's level, if i am correct. that's the way i am doing additive right now, in MSF, with added advance, more structures; more possibilities.

True, but that's still dealing with one partial at the time.
What I meant is, the ability to affect partials "in bulk" with a single mouse stroke.

I put a screenshot with red lines as an example of click-drag mouse stroke.
The first one on the left would activate/deactivate the partials in bulk.
The others would change the volume (or detune) of 20+ partials in literally 5 seconds.
Activating/deactivating 64 partials by clicking on each one currently takes like 2 minutes.

That, to me would be a game changer for the additive module and the modal filter.

[Niowiad]

double :\