FYI!! Melda SoundFactory ON SALE til JUNE 30

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exponent1
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 9:49 am

mevla wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:44 am
exponent1 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:39 am
Actually, one doesn't know what devices or instruments are from MSF perspective. So these are going to be sounds/presets the fortunate buyer of the presets are to use as is in a complex synth like MSF without having a devices mapping :hihi: I will surely buy these presets no matter how much they cost :hihi: .
Yep. That's what it might turn out to be, if the current trend continues. After all it _has_ to be like any other well-known synth. It _cannot_ be otherwise.
I think I'm going to start a sound-bank/preset making business soon. I have recently started producing but I understand synthesis fairly well (I consistently rank high in the One Synth Challenge) and I think I can create meaningful presets which my consumers can tweak easily and find actually useful :hihi: Since I will deliberately create them, and not like "hey this sounds cool but I don't know how I created it, but let me add it to my sound-bank/library/preset that I will sell. I don't care whether my consumers can edit it or not" :hihi: :lol:

I have created a few MSF devices, but I read somewhere that devices can't be shared/uploaded and there's some code that needs to be shared instead? Is that correct @David @melva ?
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OneOfManyPauls
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 9:51 am

exponent1 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:43 am
Now back to the synth topics. Is there a way to quick MIDI learn only 1 parameter/knob without using the multiparameters?
don't know of one, but there's a quicker way than I did it before, without using multiparameters:

click midi button (bottom right of toolbar) > select controller - but it defaults to mod wheel so no need to do in this instance > double click an empty row next to the tickboxes on the left > fx>rotary>slow/fast switch
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mevla
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 9:52 am

exponent1 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:43 am
Now back to the synth topics. Is there a way to quick MIDI learn only 1 parameter/knob without using the multiparameters?
Something in the vein of:

msfmidi.jpg
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Kwurqx
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 9:52 am

OneOfManyPauls wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 8:11 am
_al_ wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 6:58 am
Well I haven't bought any Melda intruments, and it looks like that aint gonna change at this rate.
Oh, and if he stops the intro price, and THEN adds a sampler, I'm gonna be pretty pissed off lol.
https://www.meldaproduction.com/MSoundFactory
However it can already be used by creative minds looking for an extremely powerful instrument. The only necessary module needed to be added to the first official release is a sampler, so please stay in tune.
Funny how to some the essential function of a synthesizer is...a sampler. ;-)

But hey, to each his/her own. Whatever gets you to your goals. Personally I generally use synths as...well...synths. I generally only use samples as a with some specific spectrum. So mostly single cycle samples and/or wavetables. So as long as it can load those, I'm a happy puppy. But I'm even happier if the machine itself has many tools to shape you own shapes/spectra (like MSoundFactory can).

Well...maybe there's the exception in samples being used in granular synthesis. Call me old fashioned, but I'm more into "basic" "classic" synthesis stuff like subtractive, additive, AM, FM, PM, PWM, Osc sync and such. Even after some 25 years and many thousands of hours of fiddling with synths and effects I'm still learning and discovering.

And MSoundFactory serves me well with a gazillion options and permutations. And all that in glorious Polyphony. In the nineties I thought my Kawai K5 (additive), Yamaha SY77 (FM) and Kurzweil K2000 (semi modular multitool) were complex and versatile machines....

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Post Fri May 17, 2019 9:54 am

OneOfManyPauls wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:51 am
exponent1 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:43 am
Now back to the synth topics. Is there a way to quick MIDI learn only 1 parameter/knob without using the multiparameters?
don't know of one, but there's a quicker way than I did it before:

click midi button (bottom right of toolbar) > select controller - but it defaults to mod wheel so no need to do in this instance > double click an empty row next to the tickboxes on the left > fx>rotary>slow/fast switch
I have a rudimentary Arturia Minilab 2 and would want to map basic stuff like amp ADSR, and Filter ADSR, LFO rate, depth etc. to my rotaries. MPs are a good thing, but having a way to quickly map knobs for a brainstorm session would be a nice thing though.
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mevla
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 9:55 am

exponent1 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:49 am
I have created a few MSF devices, but I read somewhere that devices can't be shared/uploaded and there's some code that needs to be shared instead? Is that correct @David @melva ?
I'm afraid I won't be of any help about that as I've not created MSF devices yet.

OTOH, it seems that there's quite a lot planned for 3rd party sound sets and devices.

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Post Fri May 17, 2019 9:55 am

mevla wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:52 am
exponent1 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:43 am
Now back to the synth topics. Is there a way to quick MIDI learn only 1 parameter/knob without using the multiparameters?
Something in the vein of:


msfmidi.jpg
I've tried that, it's not what I want. Most synths have a MIDI learn context on right click and it helps in quickly assigning knobs for quick automation and brainstorming patches and not for finalizing the patches.

OneOfManyPauls
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 9:59 am

exponent1 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:54 am
OneOfManyPauls wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:51 am
exponent1 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:43 am
Now back to the synth topics. Is there a way to quick MIDI learn only 1 parameter/knob without using the multiparameters?
don't know of one, but there's a quicker way than I did it before:

click midi button (bottom right of toolbar) > select controller - but it defaults to mod wheel so no need to do in this instance > double click an empty row next to the tickboxes on the left > fx>rotary>slow/fast switch
I have a rudimentary Arturia Minilab 2 and would want to map basic stuff like amp ADSR, and Filter ADSR, LFO rate, depth etc. to my rotaries. MPs are a good thing, but having a way to quickly map knobs for a brainstorm session would be a nice thing though.
in the midi section, there is a learn button - if you click that you can then move a controller and move a parameter and they get added to that list. And thanks to the popup approach, you can have that midi window on screen when you dive down to whatever parameter you want.
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mevla
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 10:00 am

exponent1 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:55 am
I've tried that, it's not what I want. Most synths have a MIDI learn context on right click and it helps in quickly assigning knobs for quick automation and brainstorming patches and not for finalizing the patches.
Indeed. Now, please do NOT take the following as an argument starter, :hihi: but you might ask in the Melda forum.

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Post Fri May 17, 2019 10:02 am

mevla wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:00 am
exponent1 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:55 am
I've tried that, it's not what I want. Most synths have a MIDI learn context on right click and it helps in quickly assigning knobs for quick automation and brainstorming patches and not for finalizing the patches.
Indeed. Now, please do NOT take the following as an argument starter, :hihi: but you might ask in the Melda forum.
No no. Not at all. I know you mean well. I will go through some videos on the Melda or the manual. I'm sure there must be a way to do this. I'm not really seeking drama. Just that a "few" people known for many years for their drama trigger me.
OneOfManyPauls wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:59 am
exponent1 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:54 am
I have a rudimentary Arturia Minilab 2 and would want to map basic stuff like amp ADSR, and Filter ADSR, LFO rate, depth etc. to my rotaries. MPs are a good thing, but having a way to quickly map knobs for a brainstorm session would be a nice thing though.
in the midi section, there is a learn button - if you click that you can then move a controller and move a parameter and they get added to that list. And thanks to the popup approach, you can have that midi window on screen when you dive down to whatever parameter you want.
Thanks for the prompt response! I'll try it out :hug:
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mevla
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 10:03 am

OneOfManyPauls wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:59 am
in the midi section, there is a learn button - if you click that you can then move a controller and move a parameter and they get added to that list. And thanks to the popup approach, you can have that midi window on screen when you dive down to whatever parameter you want.
Neat. And when one clicks on the default controller:

msfmidi2.jpg
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David
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 10:29 am

exponent1 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:43 am
Now back to the synth topics. Is there a way to quick MIDI learn only 1 parameter/knob without using the multiparameters?
EDIT:
Well, sorry about that original version of this post… I clearly hadn't yet actually understood MIDI Learn in MSF. THOUGHT I did, but…no. Several hours of fiddling around, and I THINK I get it! (I also think there's a bug in there, about which I've asked and will report.)

For the time being:
Yes, there IS a quick way:

NOT right-click on knob quick, but Melda quick…AND, NO Multi-parameters are involved. At any time. Even when I use the MP menu to access the MIDI panel. Altho you can of course, target an MP…or many…or pretty much anything.

It can be this simple:

Image

As the manual says:
Learn enables or disables MIDI learn. When enabled, the plugin listens to both the controllers you touch and the parameters you touch and associates them with the selected slot.

Which is just what's happening in the gif. I'm only pointing to the Controller field while I move the controller, and only clicking on the target, not moving it. And that's it. Done. I can click on some other parameter and move some other controller, updating either assignment, until it's what I want. And then I can adjust the ranges and directions, etc., and open the panel again anytime to add more targets and controllers, edit, disable…
  • 1. Use the MP drop-down menu, which doesn't actually use an MP, and select Attach MIDI controller
Note that the MIDI Panel opens with a slot already selected, checked and filled in, and Learn is On.

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  • 2. Click on the target knob
  • 3. Move your MIDI controller
AFAICTell, it doesn't matter which you move first, and you can reassign either by just moving or clicking on something else.

The other, slower way, using the MIDI button on the toolbar, uses the same MIDI panel which works exactly the same way, BUT it opens with a slot selected, but nothing checked and Learn is Off.

Image

So, the only difference is that, here, you have to FIRST select a slot, check it, then turn Learn on, then start clicking on targets and moving controllers, just like in the first way.

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The fact that it took me several hours of fiddling with options to work this all out?
Me, dumb? Melda, too smart? I'm STILL missing some clues? You got it in one try? Gave up and posted here?

There IS that maybe-bug I mentioned… It's that sometimes in the 2nd way, with Learn on, a slot checked, a target clicked… moving a controller again, or a different one, DE-selects the slot list, which makes you think you've got to start over, didn't understand… and eventually, start to think, "hmm, maybe this is broken!?" I can't see any way this is supposed to happen, but…? Happened to you, too?

Like I said, I'm checking.

Now this is one area in which I gotta go with the interface-WTF!?! folks. Short answer: No. There's no quick way.

There's this method which uses no MPs, already mentioned in earlier posts, in which you invoke a series of panels to learn a moved controller and assign it to a huge nested list of possible targets (and there's a 10 min Melda video on doing that, that's quite confusing, imo):



blah, blah
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David
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 10:33 am

OneOfManyPauls wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:59 am
in the midi section, there is a learn button - if you click that you can then move a controller and move a parameter and they get added to that list. And thanks to the popup approach, you can have that midi window on screen when you dive down to whatever parameter you want.
When I move a target parameter, after learning my controller using this panel, nothing happens to automatically connect them…
Wonder what I'm missing?

mevla
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 10:44 am

David wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:33 am
When I move a target parameter, after learning my controller using this panel, nothing happens to automatically connect them… Wonder what I'm missing?
Just tried it quickly (never did that, as with many other MSF topics). I click on 'Learn' then click on the knob, in this case the Oscillator 'Init' knob and then move a knob on the Axiom 25 controller. The MSF knob moves accordingly. I disable 'Learn', move the Axiom 25 knob, and the MSF knob still moves accordingly.

Taking that as a reference, I tried the same using a Multi Parameter and it seems to have a slight bug there as moving another knob on the Axiom (this time for the 'Smooth' MSF parameter) did not move the parameter. The mouse cursor turned into the double arrows though. Actually clicking with the mouse on the 'Smooth' knob AND turning it just a bit did assign the controller. See bug report in the Melda forum.

The bug would be that the motion is not automatically recognized. One must still click with the mouse _and_ move the knob in case of a MP. The Learn feature is started automatically, but the link is not made with the knob until there's a mouse click, like with a regular MIDI assignment + wiggling the knob just a bit.
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dmbaer
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 11:20 am

SoundPorn wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 7:01 pm
MTurboDelay got very good pitch shifting algo. Ive been using Vahalla Delay since its release for pitching and coloring everything.
Just FYI, MTurboDelay is built upon MXXX (a closed version that doesn't permit presets to be opened in Edit mode). MSoundFactory has all the FX modules that MXXX has and a few more. So, whatever pitch shifting is available in MTurboDelay will also be available in MSoundFactory.

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