Full Nektar support for Studio One now available plus the new Nektarine tool

[jens]

Perhaps Justin is still in the process of distributing it to all accounts, but at least on my account it's there now and that also includes the new Nektarine app.


Let's see!

[jens]

While we're waiting here's a bit of a longer video than the one that has been linked to in the S1 thread (still doesn't actually show too much though):

[EnGee]

Still nothing in my account for P4. I still use this method, however:
http://support.nektartech.com/s.nl/ctyp ... /KB.666/.f

Not bad, but for the P4/P6 still Bitwig is the best integrated one (I think Reason comes second). Anyway, for the impact lx (I have the +25), there is one setup for Studio One. It is Ok, but still not as good as Bitwig! Come on Nektar! Make more effort! Now, only the Mixer, Instrument, Transport and Internal tabs are functioning with Bitwig, with all other DAWs only the Internal tab!

What about integrating the same level with Live as well? It shouldn't only with Bitwig right?! (I mean the whole controls, especially the clips and scenes pads).

[chk071]

That's the problem with that kind of MIDI controller integration. It either comes very late, or, it doesn't come at all, because companies discontinue their implementation. Happened with both M-Audio DirectLink and Novation Automap on my keyboards. The only system which seems supported is NI's stuff.

Not saying it's happening here, but... you're at the goodwill of the company in the end. TBH, i'm solely using DAW integrated MIDI learn now. That's at least working, and will keep working.

[EnGee]

Actually I bought the P4 (or exchanged it!) when I chose Bitwig/Reason/Cubase as my preferred DAWs, and with those it is really good (still Bitwig is the king).

Now, I use S1 mostly followed by Bitwig/Live!

[PieBerger]

Personally I'd rather they focused on updating for better integration with Cubase 10, Studio One and perhaps adding some other DAWs in too, but leaving Live well alone and I say that as a daily Live user. The Push already has the best integration with Live and in my opinion, it would be a waste of Nektar's efforts to try to compete against it, especially at the expense of time that could be spent bettering solutions for DAWs that don't already have first-party hardware/software integration.

[jens]

That's the problem with that kind of MIDI controller integration. It either comes very late, or, it doesn't come at all, because companies discontinue their implementation. Happened with both M-Audio DirectLink and Novation Automap on my keyboards. The only system which seems supported is NI's stuff.

Not saying it's happening here, but... you're at the goodwill of the company in the end. TBH, i'm solely using DAW integrated MIDI learn now. That's at least working, and will keep working.

Yes. They are super-slow and I am wondering why. Is their API so bad or is it so difficult for them the obtain the required protocol from the vendor or a bit of both? Watching the video I linked to above gives the impression that they collaborated with the Presonus software team on this.

In the case of Sonar they apparently had all the required info (as Cakewalk had it all very well documented) but said they can't say when it'll happen and then it simply never happened.

How that may ever be I don't understand why they don't offer a plan B tool so users can help themselves. Let the user use HUI if all else fails (and with that I mean for all four modes, not just for the internal mode) instead of treating it as if it was some kind of disease and taking the high road [edit: I meant "sitting on the high horse" ] during trade-fairs.

When I purchased my P1 I was mainly using Reaper and people all over the net were praising it for how good it was for Reaper.

But then I tried it and it seemed pointless to me. For example in Reaper the only EQ it recognizes is ReaEQ which I never use and - since there is no programming tool available for the user - this can't be changed - likewise I tend to use 2CA's Precedence for panning and (once that parameter is automatable to begin with) there's no way I can use this instead of the DAW's internal pan using the Panorama's pan function, so yes, the user is at their mercy.

Actually I wanted to return it right away after purchasing it but then I was too lazy and kept it though I never used for a while.

Then I got Reason 10 and remembered I had the P1 and dug it out and tried it again and liked it much better. One reason is the channel strip that in Reason is automatically available which I quite like as a go-to channel strip and suddenly the Panorama became very worthwhile. I am really super-curious what the did in Studio One with the Fat Channel. Unfortunately the two available videos from Superbooth show nothing about this. (I guess the guy who always represents them is a coder normally? That might explain why he isn't so good at some other stuff (such as demonstrating their products) .

Another thing I would have liked to be different in both Reaper and Reason is that the view automatically changes when switching to another mode without having to press the view button first*. apparently they implemented that at least for the mixer mode in S1, but I hope it uses my own mixer setup - in the video it opens docked, which is not something I would ever use - if it would reset my mixer view every time I switch to the mixer mode like that it would render the P1 useless for me in S1 - once again because there is no way for the user to change the way they decided to do it.

Let's see and hope for the best.


(*also: why does the Panorama not automatically trigger F2 when pressing "EQ" (and then again when you call something else)? Yet again something the user can not him-/herself program the Panorama to do, how much sense it might ever make - the Nektars forgot to implement it and that's it)

[chk071]

I tried Komplete Kontrol yesterday, and, that's how good as it gets actually (and much better than M-Audio's VIP, for example). I tried it 1 1/2 years ago, and, back then, i didn't find a way to incorporate my MIDI keyboard, but, it seems to be working with any generic controller now, so, that's that. Of course, you have to do it the Komplete keyboard way: 8 controls with pages, but... Automap wasn't very different, except that you had 16 controls per page. Not sure how difficult or easy it is to create NKS configurations for your synths though, i want to check that out today evening.

[jens]

I have rather different needs myself as I don't use softsynths very often - I am much more interested in controlling the DAW itself and mixing functions.



although: I tried to tweak Arturia's B3 the other day and the mapping in the P1 was laughable - it just didn't make much sense - there are 9 drawbars (per manual) and there are 9 faders, yet none of the faders was mapped to control any of the drawbars and even the mapping for the rotary encoders seemed rather arbitrary - would you believe it takes them ages to map stuff? To me it seemed much like someone drunk randomly hit a few buttons for a few minutes, then accidentally ended up pushing save...

[jens]

would you believe it takes them ages to map stuff?

Talking about taking ages:

one full week after the release date they gave during Superbooth there's still not a hint of their S1 support, not even a word why it takes them much longer...

[chk071]

Regarding the mapping: Yeah, that's often quite off. For the first 8 controls, on a soft synth, I would always map filter controls, for example.

[JonSolo]

Komplete Kontrol would be good if it had sliders. I love that feature on my P6. I use it with Nuendo and it is a great integration (also with Reason). If Komplete Kontrol had more knobs and sliders I might bite that bullet (cause I think it integrates with Nuendo).

Am I off topic? heh.

[justin3am]

I'm the one holding up the release. All the development/mapping work is done. I hope to get the Studio One support installers for Panorama P, Panorama T and Pacer posted by the end of this week but I won't make any guarantees.

Thanks for your patience.

[jens]

Okay, great - thanks for the update on what's going on! Very appreciated!

[justin3am]

No problem, thanks for your enthusiasm! I'm pretty excited about getting this out, too. Now, back to work for me!