KVR Audio

mholloway · Post by **mholloway** » Mon May 27, 2019 9:18 pm

e@rs wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 6:25 pm^It does.

Offline effects processing like in Cubase? No, S1 does *not* offer that.

I guess perhaps you're presenting this misinformation based on the similar, but definitely not the same, Event Effects Inserts that S1 offers. But those are still insert effects, running in realtime until explicitly rendered. Which is the same 'roundabout' path to offline effects processing that many DAWs provide, without actual providing an on-board audio editor that has offline effects processing available (e.g. make a selection of audio, choose a plugin effect to apply to that area, choose settings in plugin, apply it destructively to the audio). Cubase does that, and has for years. S1 does not. The only other DAW I can think of that does this is Logic Pro X, and that's actually a relatively recent Logic feature.

pk-1 · Post by **pk-1** » Tue May 28, 2019 7:01 am

xbitz wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 7:31 pm I miss only an Ableton Live like Instrument rack from Cubase, so created one with MUX, one rack with parallel plugin-slot wiring (for instruments) and two racks with serial ones (for fxs with secondary audio-ins for sidechaining) and a prewired macro for Byome MIDI triggering

Hi xbitz,

Just wondering why you use BYOME for triggering, rather than handling it from within the MUX itself?

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue May 28, 2019 7:25 am

^^^ "ADSR: Yep! It can be triggered by other modulators at the moment. We plan on adding MIDI triggering to the first update." - https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewt ... 5e6aced344

telecode · Post by **telecode** » Tue May 28, 2019 10:26 am

Can I confirm, the MIDI compositional features between the versions are not that different? MIDI effects seems to be the main difference. But things like chord editor are same in all. except for Chord Assistant - Proximity Mode which is in Pro. (I am ignoring score creation features in my comparison).

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Tue May 28, 2019 4:11 pm

mholloway wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 9:18 pm
e@rs wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 6:25 pm^It does.
Offline effects processing like in Cubase? No, S1 does *not* offer that.

I guess perhaps you're presenting this misinformation based on the similar, but definitely not the same, Event Effects Inserts that S1 offers. But those are still insert effects, running in realtime until explicitly rendered. Which is the same 'roundabout' path to offline effects processing that many DAWs provide, without actual providing an on-board audio editor that has offline effects processing available (e.g. make a selection of audio, choose a plugin effect to apply to that area, choose settings in plugin, apply it destructively to the audio). Cubase does that, and has for years. S1 does not. The only other DAW I can think of that does this is Logic Pro X, and that's actually a relatively recent Logic feature.

You:

; me:

. My apologies.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Tue May 28, 2019 4:58 pm

Yeah, it does it via <create new version>, the edits are audio files in 'Edits' which are referred to by the file in the project, and can be specifically called up. Until you bounce it (or in the jargon of VariAudio, 'flatten'), and now deletion of the edited original deletes the Edits files as well. Used to be you'd have to delete the Edits manually. You kind of half-commit but it takes up a little space rather than CPU.

Psuper · Post by **Psuper** » Tue May 28, 2019 9:55 pm

Go the USB stick, smooth as hell getting it installed -- kinda expected some jackduecin based on a few replies here, but super smooth. As for their default install routines.. less than stellar (as I expected with prior Steinberg installs).
I despise that companies still insist certain directories must be used by default and cant be changed before the install. I haven't even bothered to move them yet, I'm assuming I will be able to, lets hope.

Regardless, it's the honeymoon period for Cubase and I, and as a seasoned polygamist, when it comes to DAWS, I tend not to get overly excited on a new honeymoon. But damn I'm diggin it, might end up being the best $200 I spent in the last few years on anything audio related, and I spend a lot.... a lot.
Gonna hunker down with it for a few weeks though, see what it's made of.

I've started mapping the MPK 249, but anyone know where their original cubase XML file is?
Apparently it was on the CD I threw away ages ago. Akai seems to have taken it off their site, and I wanted to see what was setup by default before I start really changing things.

I always like to reverse engineer stuff, so its fun loading up templates and dissecting them in the areas I'm interested in. Anyone have any templates or sites for free ones they'd recommend to look at for the various styles of music?
I ask because while I was expecting the default ones to be fairly good, they are just are not.. at all, not by a long shot. I haven't gone through all of them of course, but the ones I have seem to just have tracks with names and some generic effects applied. Are there any default ones worth looking at that you thought were useful?

David W · Post by **David W** » Tue May 28, 2019 10:03 pm

Psuper wrote: Tue May 28, 2019 9:55 pm I despise that companies still insist certain directories must be used by default and cant be changed before the install. I haven't even bothered to move them yet, I'm assuming I will be able to, lets hope.

If you want to move the content, this is easily done with Steinberg Library Manager, which should have been installed along Cubase. Indeed, you can set a default content folder using Steinberg Library Manager if you install it separately before installing Cubase.

ShawnG · Post by **ShawnG** » Wed May 29, 2019 1:00 am

Yes, good point David. Set the content path in the library manager before you install any of the content, saves hassle and confusion. If you havent done that and have installed a bunch of content on the c drive that you didn't mean to, the library manager can pretty easily move it for you as well. The actual installer dialogs don’t give you the option any more (at least they didn’t for me)

Psuper · Post by **Psuper** » Wed May 29, 2019 3:42 am

Library Manager Story:
There's the Steinberg Download assistant which downloads the software, the Elicenser control which verifies the license, and the Cubase installer on the desktop. The Cubase installer had the directory for Cubase and loops to change, but not the other stuff (shudda been done right here).

So I download the library manager after reading your reply, and run the installer, and it says it was already installed. No icon on the desktop, but it was in the program listing separately. I run it, set the options to default folder I made under Cubase. Looking at the list of stuff I have no idea what is installed or not, guessing if it shows up there its installed (but theres a LOT of crap listed there, and I only had 3 options in the Cubase install). Regardless, click X on "Move" on the many programs under the many tabs and.. what next? Nothing else jumped out at me, so just-for-shits I hit "Move" on one of the many programs that were "X"d, it asks me again for the directory, and it started moving all of them in the tab. Had to do the same for each tab.
Check the folder I moved everything into, just a list of .vstsound files. I look for .vstsound files on C knowing how this usually goes..., still a bunch of actual files in programdata/steinberg/content/halion (the other directories have shortcuts in them pointing to my new Default location). I go back to the library manager hit details on each Halion move, they all are supposedly moved. So I think they're supposed to be there still on my C drive I want them off of, I smell bad installer-guy after-thought. Maybe not, but they sure as heck shouldn't be, that's what config files are for. I'll delete them because I don't need any anyway and see how it goes... tomorrow.

Janky, inefficient, and annoying, but used to it -- Seems like the same UI guy, especially dealing with install routines, works at every DAW development studio...

ShawnG · Post by **ShawnG** » Wed May 29, 2019 4:10 am

I would remove whatever you want to remove with the library manager, rather than just deleting files manually. Cubase media bay gets cranky. The library manager thing is new and not well documented (but then i never rtfm anyway, so...)

Psuper · Post by **Psuper** » Wed May 29, 2019 1:29 pm

ShawnG wrote: Wed May 29, 2019 4:10 am I would remove whatever you want to remove with the library manager, rather than just deleting files manually. Cubase media bay gets cranky. The library manager thing is new and not well documented (but then i never rtfm anyway, so...)

Ya, I'm not one to read manuals for stuff I do all the time either, however I did with Cubase readme since I saw some people here having trouble with the install so figured I'd have a look prior. You'll be glad to know you didn't miss anything - there was no mention anywhere in it about a library manager.

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Wed May 29, 2019 3:15 pm

I tried a few times to install Cubase by running that 'Setup.exe' from the (extracted) 21GB archive, but it always crashed (even with 'Run as administrator'). I'm on Win7 x64. Any idea why I can't run it? Does this setup also install (or offer options for) other things apart from the main program? In the end I used 'Cubase10.msi', but I'm curious why the other one crashes.

David W · Post by **David W** » Wed May 29, 2019 4:21 pm

Psuper wrote: Wed May 29, 2019 1:29 pm Ya, I'm not one to read manuals for stuff I do all the time either, however I did with Cubase readme since I saw some people here having trouble with the install so figured I'd have a look prior. You'll be glad to know you didn't miss anything - there was no mention anywhere in it about a library manager.

Steinberg Library Manager has its own manual - it is on the steinberg.help page for Cubase Pro 10 along with all the other manuals.

Psuper · Post by **Psuper** » Wed May 29, 2019 5:20 pm

David W wrote: Wed May 29, 2019 4:21 pm
Psuper wrote: Wed May 29, 2019 1:29 pm Ya, I'm not one to read manuals for stuff I do all the time either, however I did with Cubase readme since I saw some people here having trouble with the install so figured I'd have a look prior. You'll be glad to know you didn't miss anything - there was no mention anywhere in it about a library manager.
Steinberg Library Manager has its own manual - it is on the steinberg.help page for Cubase Pro 10 along with all the other manuals.

Sure, but directory management has been handled by standard installers for decades now: nobody would blindly assume that some additional software would be required for directory management and go hunting for it, or a random manual, before an install - that's what installers and readmes are for.

Don't get me wrong, I'm used to it and I planned on their installer being crap from my old days of installing Steinberg stuff and its not a big deal -- I know how to force my system to behave even if its not officially supported.

Steinberg should have simply added in the readme that comes with the Cubase install something along the lines of:

"To install custom content (halion, pashop, etc) in a specific directory, run Steinberg Library Manager before installing Cubase.

Then all that runnin around, guesswork for directory management is solved for everyone in less than 10 seconds, officially.

Huge sale on Cubase 10 - 50% off for new purchases or crossgrades