Phase Plant released

[plexuss]

its 99E …..
https://www.meldaproduction.com/MSoundFactory

To be fair, regular price should be compared not sale vs regular prices. MSoundFactory is regularily €299 vs Phase Plant $349USD (€313 @ todays exchange rates), same with UVI Falcon $349US . At the moment MSF is on sale as mentioned for €99. Remember there will be a €60 license transfer fee on that if you decide to transfer in the future.

Sure, but they are both ‘launch’ prices, and MSoundFactory is actually 89E after the 10E discount they give you for subscribing to their newsletter - plus you get ‘free updates for life’ (no need to buy more snap ins) and M update a lot! I’m not trying to diminish PP, as I said, I liked it a lot...the difference is I bought MSoundFactory 30 minutes after demoing as a no brainier

So did I. MSF cost me 30€ so even more of GAS/NB. Phase Plant on the other hand is a min of $118 for me without the 2 new snapins. Still a lot. I need to get around to trying the demo and then decide. I have Zebra, Falcon, Rapid and Biotek 2 as well so I have a lot of these monster layering synths.

[Greenstorm33]

Has this one turned out to be extremely popular then? It is hard to guage how many people have bought this thing. It does seem to be creating a bit of a buzz though, which is good. nice to have people developing more complex systems.

6 pages in a week since release is pretty minimal, and a lot of people are pointing out what a bad deal it is compared to the competition. IMO in addition to better upgrade prices they should have an option where you get all the FX, but you can't use them outside the synth. That would be worth a price on-par with Zebra or Avenger to me.

[DavidCarlyon]

Has this one turned out to be extremely popular then? It is hard to guage how many people have bought this thing. It does seem to be creating a bit of a buzz though, which is good. nice to have people developing more complex systems.

6 pages in a week since release is pretty minimal, and a lot of people are pointing out what a bad deal it is compared to the competition. IMO in addition to better upgrade prices they should have an option where you get all the FX, but you can't use them outside the synth. That would be worth a price on-par with Zebra or Avenger to me.

yeah thats actually a really good idea. I kind of assumed that is what they would do.
Was consideing going for the sub plan...but i tried it and honestly was underwhelmed by the sound.
The filter is relentlessly under equipped. Didn't even throw their ladder model in? I know you can use it separately but still...seems a bit bizzare.
I know i probably just need ot play with it more (and i will) but the other thing was - the workflow just didn't feel like i imagined it would.
It felt really cramped. I used Rapid directly after and it was night and day i terms of putting together a complex patch quickly.
I have so many synths now that i mainly buy them for sound (if there is something interesting i don't have covered) and yes this does have great FM capability...but i have sound factory, Arturia and a ton of other stuff..
Kind of hopingi change my mind because i want to like it, but so far it didn't do much for me

[wagtunes]

I agree. No comparison between MSF and this synth as far as value goes. I don't care what MSF goes for regularly. You'll never have to pay that because of Melda's constant sales. I got MSF for $55. I bought it almost immediately. It is doubtful I will ever buy this synth and that's coming from somebody who has almost all their snapins. The price model on this thing is simply not that great.

My opinion of course. YMMV.

[Greenstorm33]

I agree. No comparison between MSF and this synth as far as value goes. I don't care what MSF goes for regularly. You'll never have to pay that because of Melda's constant sales. I got MSF for $55. I bought it almost immediately. It is doubtful I will ever buy this synth and that's coming from somebody who has almost all their snapins. The price model on this thing is simply not that great.

My opinion of course. YMMV.

You know you've messed something up when you can't even interest a softsynth junkie who already has most of the effects

[wagtunes]

I agree. No comparison between MSF and this synth as far as value goes. I don't care what MSF goes for regularly. You'll never have to pay that because of Melda's constant sales. I got MSF for $55. I bought it almost immediately. It is doubtful I will ever buy this synth and that's coming from somebody who has almost all their snapins. The price model on this thing is simply not that great.

My opinion of course. YMMV.

You know you've messed something up when you can't even interest a softsynth junkie who already has most of the effects

Exactly. I'm still scratching my head over this price model.

[Teksonik]

I think some developers get too close to a project to compare it to the competition and therefore price it accordingly.

I'm not buying a Ford Mustang if I can buy a Koenigsegg Agera for the same price no matter how much love went into making the Mustang.

Just as I'm not buying the Kilohearts Toolbox Ultimate when I can buy Omnisphere for $20 less.....

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail ... ynthesizer

[mgw38]

Where does all this negativity come from, I wonder. If you are not interested, what's the point of being upset about it?

But seriously, the Kilohearts plugins are some of the most useful and usable I have. Simple, right to the point, fun to use and do the job well. When it comes to usability, they are on the exact opposite side of the Melda spectrum. Melda is science, Kilohearts is art.

[Greenstorm33]

Where does all this negativity come from, I wonder. If you are not interested, what's the point of being upset about it?

But seriously, the Kilohearts plugins are some of the most useful and usable I have. Simple, right to the point, fun to use and do the job well. When it comes to usability, they are on the exact opposite side of the Melda spectrum. Melda is science, Kilohearts is art.

Probably people thing it's kind of cool and would like to have it but don't feel like paying $350 for the full fx suite or barely paying less than new users for the synth itself as owners of a bunch of Kilohearts stuff. Personally I got the base version in the apparent JRRShop pricing error (I feel a little bad about it but not much I can do about it now ). I think that was a fair price for what's essentially a super-flexible modular wavetable Sytrus with chorus and delay. I'd still like to have the other effects but the prices are crazy. If they want to charge me $88 for some basic effects (two of which are already available in the generators section) I'll throw on BYOME (purchased for less than that) and bring my own damn effects.

[jeffb01]

Personally I got the base version... I'd still like to have the other effects but the prices are crazy. If they want to charge me $88 for some basic effects...

They say you can still use the effects even if you don't own them, you just can't tweak them (whatever that means). Can you give us insight into how functional the effects you don't own are?

I can't tell because I only downloaded the demo which unlocked everything, so I won't be able to tell what it's like to use an effect I don't own...

[wagtunes]

Personally I got the base version... I'd still like to have the other effects but the prices are crazy. If they want to charge me $88 for some basic effects...

They say you can still use the effects even if you don't own them, you just can't tweak them (whatever that means). Can you give us insight into how functional the effects you don't own are?

I can't tell because I only downloaded the demo which unlocked everything, so I won't be able to tell what it's like to use an effect I don't own...

Can't tweak means just that. Whatever the settings of the effect is when you load it, that's it. That's what you get. Think of it as a preset with no way to change it.

In other words, useless.

[Benedict]

Maybe I see something different from y'all but on the Buy page, I see the start price at $169 which includes the common FX glued to the bottom of most larger synths. Zebra is $199 (let's not start a war about differences). As for Melda, that is indeed powerful (on paper) and cheap (on sale) but as pointed out above, they don't really compare in straight-out usability.

My point is that I think the price point is not so terrible. If you want the kitchen sink, sure, it ends up in Falcon territory but at that point, we should be attracting only heavyweight synthesists who know the value (or lack thereof) of the package offered for their needs.

[Greenstorm33]

Personally I got the base version... I'd still like to have the other effects but the prices are crazy. If they want to charge me $88 for some basic effects...

They say you can still use the effects even if you don't own them, you just can't tweak them (whatever that means). Can you give us insight into how functional the effects you don't own are?

I can't tell because I only downloaded the demo which unlocked everything, so I won't be able to tell what it's like to use an effect I don't own...

I'm still in my all-access demo period as well. It looks like there are presets for each snapin, but they don't seem to come with any. Possibly because I just installed Phase Plant by itself? Having the individual snapins as preset players with a decent amount of choices would actually be somewhat useful.

[plexuss]

I fired up the demo. Wow, I am really impressed. I didn't expect it to sound the way it does. I expected something simpler sounding, not as complex and deep as some of the factory patches sound. Then I tried creating a patch and I am impressed again at how fast it is to work with and get somewhere usable quickly. I am going to work through the demo period and likely pick it up after that. The ensemble snap in sounds great to. It took me 2 tries to get through the first level of phase invaders. And the info screen is like a lavalamp!

[Teksonik]

Where does all this negativity come from, I wonder. If you are not interested, what's the point of being upset about it?

I'm not in the least bit upset. Simply not interested in a product at a certain price. Developers are free to charge whatever they want for their products and consumers are free to purchase or pass. The developer can only hope the purchase to pass ratio is high.......

So to that end I will say goodbye to this thread.......