Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[ghettosynth]

Massive is still hardcore on my machine, for such a old plugin.

You need a new machine. I don't really like Massive that much but I end up using it more than I otherwise would just because NI likes to put Massive presets in Maschine groups.

[chk071]

Try some unison pads on it. Should bring down any modern CPU, with a few instances.

[EvilDragon]

Depends on how many cores you have Yep it can still eat CPU when you set it to Ultra quality. Always a good thing to see if that quality level is what patch requires, and then of course limiting polyphony.

Say patch named Adventure, uses 7 voices of poly, it's around 50% of a single core over here. so I could easily have 8 instances of that patch. Not terrible, I'd say.

[Functional]

Try some unison pads on it. Should bring down any modern CPU, with a few instances.

Yeah but... how many instances do you need of the same unison pad? I tend to have at most like 5 synths inside one project (and even that is highballing it).

Also, here's a mockup patch I quickly made with Massive to see how much potential it has to cap my CPU. The amount of oscs did not matter, neither did inserts nor the filter really: what matter was the amount of voices. I played chords (even though technically it did not matter, since each note has 64 voices) and each instance was running at ultra. I could crank 8 of those (with ASIO Guard off; with it, more like 4-5) before I'd start to get more than just random audio dropouts:

Base load CPU utilization fluctuated from 6% to 8%.

While you could argue that 4790k is fairly powerful (and fairly outdated by now), running 8 instances of this is ridiculous and practically never a real-world application

[realtrance]

We'll see, but I'm not worried about Massive X performance (I have AVX on my PC, but only SSE on my Mac, so that's a bit of a concern).

What I did find today after (finally! four years wait! <g>) getting Replika XT recently is that -- of course -- what really heats up the laptop and eats CPU is a complex delay. This is not surprising.

But Massive/X itself? Unlikely to be a huge problem.

I see nothing on NI advertising to indicate AVX is a requirement, so I will remain hopeful until June27th that it isn't, that it'll just be a bit of a beast on my 2009 laptop.

[parma]

We'll see, but I'm not worried about Massive X performance (I have AVX on my PC, but only SSE on my Mac, so that's a bit of a concern).

What I did find today after (finally! four years wait! <g>) getting Replika XT recently is that -- of course -- what really heats up the laptop and eats CPU is a complex delay. This is not surprising.

But Massive/X itself? Unlikely to be a huge problem.

I see nothing on NI advertising to indicate AVX is a requirement, so I will remain hopeful until June27th that it isn't, that it'll just be a bit of a beast on my 2009 laptop.

got some bad news for you (and me): https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... fications/

[realtrance]

Yes, I’ve seen that; but..... we’ll see.

[Elektronisch]

Im surprised that someone actually still uses a PC/laptop from 2009 for music production, since it could barely hold more then few modern vsts.

My last cpu was Q9450 (or9550) wich was 2010 and it could barely hold well average amount of instances Dune 2, Spire. I can only imagine what a piece of crap should be something older then that I can only guess what you would must be thinking if you are naive to expect a modern VST from 2019 would hold on something that is 10 years old

Also to get a modern PC that will surpass few times an old will conly cost few hundred dollars that you would spend on something like omnisphere. For the price of massive x you could get a used PC with AVX compatible CPU.

No judgement, carry on.

[dune_rave]

Hmm, this is kinda interesting for me. I've built a strong pc in 2010. (with Intel i7 2.8GHZ (4 core) processor).
But it's sure its not AVX compatible (though i couldn't check that yet).
Anyway, this is just another reason to skip this current komplete update.
Do you know any other synth that require or will require this avx stuff too?

[EvilDragon]

Yes, I’ve seen that; but..... we’ll see.

It won't even install on a non-AVX computer.

And it does eat CPU.

[risome]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_ ... s_with_AVX

[Elektronisch]

Hmm, this is kinda interesting for me. I've built a strong pc in 2010. (with Intel i7 2.8GHZ (4 core) processor).
But it's sure its not AVX compatible (though i couldn't check that yet).
Anyway, this is just another reason to skip this current komplete update.
Do you know any other synth that require or will require this avx stuff too?

The only i7 processor that is 2.8ghz speedis not made in 2010 but in 2009 and its i7-860, it doesnt support AVX.

p.s. Mind you the PC was strong in 2010 mind. The CPU scores only 5000 wich is by today is around 3 times less. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cp ... 80GHz&id=6

Actually this CPU isnt that much faster (just a bit faster) then 4 year old Macbook Air with i7 cprocessor.

[digidennis]

The only i7 processor that is 2.8ghz speedis not made in 2010 but in 2009 and its i7-860, it doesnt support AVX.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... l-qpi.html

[Elektronisch]

Try some unison pads on it. Should bring down any modern CPU, with a few instances.

Yeah but... how many instances do you need of the same unison pad? I tend to have at most like 5 synths inside one project (and even that is highballing it).

Also, here's a mockup patch I quickly made with Massive to see how much potential it has to cap my CPU. The amount of oscs did not matter, neither did inserts nor the filter really: what matter was the amount of voices. I played chords (even though technically it did not matter, since each note has 64 voices) and each instance was running at ultra. I could crank 8 of those (with ASIO Guard off; with it, more like 4-5) before I'd start to get more than just random audio dropouts:

Base load CPU utilization fluctuated from 6% to 8%.

While you could argue that 4790k is fairly powerful (and fairly outdated by now), running 8 instances of this is ridiculous and practically never a real-world application

4790k supports turbo by default, i have a feeling either your motherboard does not support that or you have disabled it. My runs at 4.4 wich enables to add couple more instances of 3oscillators at 64 unison.

[Elektronisch]

The only i7 processor that is 2.8ghz speedis not made in 2010 but in 2009 and its i7-860, it doesnt support AVX.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... l-qpi.html

ok, was wrong, i checked the wiki wrong :X but it appears its barely faster then 860 and doesnt support avx in the end.