Which drum synth do you recommend

[Halonmusic]

Does Stix require iLok?

[chk071]

I absolutely detest dedicated drum synths. They always limit the possibilities. When i use one of the modern flagship VA synth (with basic FM), i feel like i have everything to create drum sounds.

Why do i post this here? Not sure. Maybe to give a perspective, and a hint that you can get everything done in a "normal" synth as well. Never got the appeal of drum synths.

[thecontrolcentre]

Drumaxx uses physical modelling, rather than traditional synthesis or samples. I like it, bur never see it mentioned around here ...

https://www.image-line.com/plugins/Synths/Drumaxx/

[Halonmusic]

Drumaxx is great.

[david.beholder]

Does Stix require iLok?

Yes, unfortunately.

From site: Protection iLok (iLok1, iLok 2 and Soft), USB-eLicenser

[Lotuzia]

Does Stix require iLok?

Yes, unfortunately.

From site: Protection iLok (iLok1, iLok 2 and Soft), USB-eLicenser

Soft Ilok is nearly identical to NI service center, Arturia/wave systems, and, more generally, all c/r systems though (i.e thousands of thousands of users), and less restrictive than cloud services (Roland etc). And of course it doesn't require an hardware dongle.

[ghettosynth]

Does Stix require iLok?

Yes, unfortunately.

From site: Protection iLok (iLok1, iLok 2 and Soft), USB-eLicenser

Soft Ilok is nearly identical to NI service center, Arturia/wave systems, and, more generally, all c/r systems though (i.e thousands of thousands of users), and less restrictive than cloud services (Roland etc). And of course it doesn't require an hardware dongle.

Bullshit, and I don't say that lightly. Look, don't get me wrong, I f**king love my iLok stuff, but a dongle is necessary to get the proper value from iLok. NI is nothing like soft-iLok. NI is supportive, available, responsive, and not uptight. The most common problems with iLok revolve around soft-ilok and the hoops people have to jump through to fix problems.

NI is far less heavyweight than iLok.

Get the dongle, and stop trusting your licenses to something that is super volatile, your computer, or, don't bother with iLok and use C/R protection that is, at least, backed by a big company that isn't quite so uptight.

Dongle iLok: Highly recommended
NI C/R: Highly recommended
Soft iLok: Absolutely not recommended

[Lotuzia]

I absolutely detest dedicated drum synths. They always limit the possibilities. When i use one of the modern flagship VA synth (with basic FM), i feel like i have everything to create drum sounds.

Why do i post this here? Not sure. Maybe to give a perspective, and a hint that you can get everything done in a "normal" synth as well. Never got the appeal of drum synths.

It really depends on the drum synth. Microtonic uses specific algos that can't be replicated with VA synths. Same with Tremor, wich unfortunately became nearly abandonware iirc.

For StiX, wich can mix morphing analog oscillators, FM @ aufio rate, RM, Am, but also samples for a simple drum sound, you can do FM between samples and analog oscillators. Not really possible with your standard VA. You can also perform various types of Cross synthesis ( interactions between samples and analog oscs). But even to replicate some very simple vintage topology emulation, like some iconic Tr-xxx modules, you'll need the noise for example to bypass the main filter AND have it's own filter. Or : how to assign the same one shot LFO to affect/shape the curve/Bend of three different audio sources in your typical VA ? And the list coud go on forever. So some sounds that you can make with Stix can't definitely be done with other synths, or drum machines.

Then, to be fair, some sounds you can make with this or that VA, orwith other synthesis methods like complex multi operator FM alogos, can't be replicated by StiX as well. A simple example : The analog modeled filter(s) character(s) is enough to differentiate two instruments, wether they are specialised in drum sounds or standard synths.

So, it's more complex that one can think at first sight imho. Ymmv.

[Lotuzia]

Does Stix require iLok?

Yes, unfortunately.

From site: Protection iLok (iLok1, iLok 2 and Soft), USB-eLicenser

Soft Ilok is nearly identical to NI service center, Arturia/wave systems, and, more generally, all c/r systems though (i.e thousands of thousands of users), and less restrictive than cloud services (Roland etc). And of course it doesn't require an hardware dongle.

Bullshit, and I don't say that lightly. Look, don't get me wrong, I f**king love my iLok stuff, but a dongle is necessary to get the proper value from iLok. NI is nothing like soft-iLok. NI is supportive, available, responsive, and not uptight. The most common problems with iLok revolve around soft-ilok and the hoops people have to jump through to fix problems.

NI is far less heavyweight than iLok.

Get the dongle, and stop trusting your licenses to something that is super volatile, your computer, or, don't bother with iLok and use C/R protection that is, at least, backed by a big company that isn't quite so uptight.

Dongle iLok: Highly recommended
NI C/R: Highly recommended
Soft iLok: Absolutely not recommended

I also prefer the dongle, but most of my friends don't, and use soft Ilok. Afaik, they are all very happy with it. Having the choice anyway I see as an opportunity.

[ghettosynth]

I absolutely detest dedicated drum synths. They always limit the possibilities. When i use one of the modern flagship VA synth (with basic FM), i feel like i have everything to create drum sounds.

Why do i post this here? Not sure. Maybe to give a perspective, and a hint that you can get everything done in a "normal" synth as well. Never got the appeal of drum synths.

It really depends on the drum synth. Microtonic uses specific algos that can't be replicated with VA synths. Same with Tremor, wich unfortunately became nearly abandonware iirc.

For StiX, wich can mix morphing analog oscillators, FM @ aufio rate, RM, Am, but also samples for a simple drum sound, you can do FM between samples and analog oscillators. Not really possible with your standard VA. You can also perform various types of Cross synthesis ( interactions between samples and analog oscs). But even to replicate some very simple vintage topology emulation, like some iconic Tr-xxx modules, you'll need the noise for example to bypass the main filter AND have it's own filter. Or : how to assign the same one shot LFO to affect/shape the curve/Bend of three different audio sources in your typical VA ? And the list coud go on forever. So some sounds that you can make with Stix can't definitely be done with other synths, or drum machines.

Then, to be fair, some sounds you can make with this or that VA, orwith other synthesis methods like complex multi operator FM alogos, can't be replicated by StiX as well. A simple example : The analog modeled filter(s) character(s) is enough to differentiate two instruments, wether they are specialised in drum sounds or standard synths.

So, it's more complex that one can think at first sight imho. Ymmv.

I'm sure STix is great, but none of that is outside the scope of a modern soft-modular.

Maschine+Reaktor for the win.

[ghettosynth]

Does Stix require iLok?

Yes, unfortunately.

From site: Protection iLok (iLok1, iLok 2 and Soft), USB-eLicenser

Soft Ilok is nearly identical to NI service center, Arturia/wave systems, and, more generally, all c/r systems though (i.e thousands of thousands of users), and less restrictive than cloud services (Roland etc). And of course it doesn't require an hardware dongle.

Bullshit, and I don't say that lightly. Look, don't get me wrong, I f**king love my iLok stuff, but a dongle is necessary to get the proper value from iLok. NI is nothing like soft-iLok. NI is supportive, available, responsive, and not uptight. The most common problems with iLok revolve around soft-ilok and the hoops people have to jump through to fix problems.

NI is far less heavyweight than iLok.

Get the dongle, and stop trusting your licenses to something that is super volatile, your computer, or, don't bother with iLok and use C/R protection that is, at least, backed by a big company that isn't quite so uptight.

Dongle iLok: Highly recommended
NI C/R: Highly recommended
Soft iLok: Absolutely not recommended

I also prefer the dongle, but most of my friends don't, and use soft Ilok. Afaik, they are all very happy with it. Having the choice anyway I see as an opportunity.

Sure, when it works, it's like any other copy protection scheme that works, everybody loves it because it works. The only way to judge it is when it breaks. You don't have to look far to compare examples of when each of the above choices breaks to see why soft-ilok isn't comparable to NI's solution.

[kevvvvv]

Looking initially for more of a synth drum workstation, not a sample player like Battery.

Maybe I should have said this in the beginning. My bad

What's the problem with Tremor? (is there a problem?)

[sbj]

Maybe this one could interest you:https://www.ineardisplay.com/plugins/ephemere/

Very nice for unusual sonds.

[simmo75]

Arturia Drumbrute Impact is awesome!

[AnX]

I've no experience of drum synths much beyond pad-triggered sample players (battery, impact, BFD).

But last week I got 2together Audio's Kick Synth, really like it, and want more of everything!!!

I'd like to hear which drum synth you prefer.

I'm more interested in a comprehensive staple drum synth that'll last, rather than a cool but limited gadget.

Maybe with multichannel outs, midi import/export, bags of presets, nice tweakability

Your thoughts welcome

you have Dune3 right?

perfect for any type of drum sound

some good presets included as ideas/start points

one shot lfo mode for transients, and 8 layers to sculpt the sound

no multi out, but a drum sound uses f-all cpu, so you can easily build a decent kit