2CAudio Precedence | 1.5 | Move Out Of Flatland. Take Precedence.

[Andrew Souter]

f**king amazing!!! A revolution!!!

One can control the distance and angle of ALL instances of Precedence from the same instance of Precedence. This will then update the respective instance of Breeze accordingly. The IDs can be renamed individually.

So all of a sudden we can really position a whole mix from a single plugin GUI.

Thanks for the kind words Jens!

Now I only wish the Precedence GUI would cater for this - we would need to be able to maximize the Angle/Distance screen as we can do with both the Time and Freq Display in Breeze.

The challenge is that the Position display already uses exactly 100% of the full width of the GUI, and it is it's geometry is exactly half-circle... i.e. 2:1 rectangle. So there is no where for the Pos display to expand it. Making it taller doesn't help anything. It would have to be wider, and it is already 100% wide.

It might be possible to resize the GUI window itself so that a "zoom view" like you propose could use a GUI ratio of 2:1, while the normal view is 1:1. Then the pos display could be full GUI size. So for exmaple the standard view is 960*960, and the zoom view is 1920*960 (or whatever gui size you choose). Maybe that is possible. No promises yet.

You just have to use a larger GUI size at the moment. Personally I think the 1440*1440 GUI size is very nice on 4K displays, and still gives enough space to show a large-ish Breeze GUI also. Since they can both adjust any instance within an Edit Group from a single GUI editor, the GUI can be kept larger. Much better than having many tiny GUIs IMHO.

[Andrew Souter]

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[jens]

You just have to use a larger GUI size at the moment.

Yes, and that's exactly the problem: this isn't really possible, because everything grows and all the controls sit above and below the nodes-area, which is why maximizing it would help a lot (ie. getting rid of these controls). As it is, the maximum height of the screen is reached long before the nodes-area uses all of it (the buttons etc. grow to obscene dimensions on bigger GUI sizes). Keep in mind that as Precedence supports per-instance sizing and remembers the maximized state of GUI elements, using a larger GUI one one single instance would already solve the problem, provided this instance would have a maximized node area.

[Andrew Souter]

Something to think about for sure. thanks for the suggestion.

[jens]

Thanks for considering!

[tl]

What a great workflow with the updates...
Thanks for yr work. Precedence and Breeze... what a combination.

Regards,
tl.

[xx JPRacer xx]

Sorry if it was already asked but is this product mainly for orchestral stuff or this can benefit any kind of music types? Also, is the mixing process really different when using this?

[experimental.crow]

Sorry if it was already asked but is this product mainly for orchestral stuff or this can benefit any kind of music types? Also, is the mixing process really different when using this?

i would hardly call my work orchestral ,
and i'm finding this quite useful ...
i think of this as a staging tool ,
which i would term a sub-set of mixing ...

[Hez]

This is quite amazing, just been playing around for a couple of hours this morning and I'm very impressed. The main thing I've noticed is that with just 3 or 4 carefully placed elements you can create a mix that already sounds pretty full and well glued together. I've always considered expert use of reverb to be one of the most advanced skills in mix engineering and playing around with this has made me realise just how much I still have to learn in that respect!

The implementation looks really good so far, I had a couple of ideas but they may not be possible with VST2 tech:

1. If freshly added instances of Precedence and Breeze could inherit the DAW track name that would be amazing (like Fabfilter Pro-Q3)

2. If you link an instance of Precedence and Breeze and the name defaults to the ID001 for example, it would be cool if the linked instance automatically updated its name to reflect name edits in the other instance - would save some duplicate typing.

3. It would be cool to have a button to 'propagate current settings' to all instances, mainly for Breeze rather than Precedence. I have found myself tweaking the first reverb I add to a track, then wanting to copy those settings to all other reverbs (but not via a preset change).

4. I know you've explained before why you don't allow realtime parameter modulation in your plugins, but as someone that makes pretty psychedelic electronic music, I am salivating at the prospect of being able to move things around this virtual space in realtime. Even if it sent CPU usage up tenfold I would still LOVE this as an optional mode. I assume there's a ton of underlying DSP you'd have to change to enable this though so probably not likely!

[Cinebient]

Really fantastic after i played with the new features.
The only thing i also miss would be renaming the ID numbers to user names like "synth", "bass", "cellos", "violins" etc....
Otherwise this thing is a major step forward to me and if B2 and Aether get the sync feature too i´m in reverberation heaven (i would love to have the "balance" feature there too since i much prefer it now in Breeze 2 over "mix" since it glues much better for me and gives a better sense of depth).
However, really fantastic tools which brings real 3D into a sound with ease like no other tool i have.
Oh i would still like to have the sliders for the color changes as automation parameter....just for the light show
Maybe for the EQ something like overlays instances like Fabfilter-Pro-Q 3....o.k. that´s too much of course
(But i could also imagine overlaying the Precedence instances and see all the "dots" of the different positions where i could tap on each).
However, so far the most useful FX plug-ins i own.
Thank you very much.....now i still wait for my head to explode for the Kaleidoscope next step....i do not forgot your interview

[Sampleconstruct]

You can rename the groups to whatever you like, even within one instance of Precedence.
And you can position all instances within one instance too.

[Cinebient]

You can rename the groups to whatever you like, even within one instance of Precedence.

Uups....now one feature less
Might not worked for me because i used the Logic intern midi keyboard via my macbook computer keyboard as midi input.
I guess i need some proper video tutorials to really understand that all.

[tl]

(i would love to have the "balance" feature there too since i much prefer it now in Breeze 2 over "mix" since it glues much better for me and gives a better sense of depth).

What does the recently added switch on the lower right corner of Breeze 2.5 do?

Regards,
tl.

It is the same button/parameter/functionality at the mix/balance switch in the standard mode view.

Left/mix: -- normal "dry" input is mixed with the reverb output

right/balance: spatialization is applied to the dry signal, as well, and this is mixed with the reverb output, effectively allowing you to control the balance between early energy and late energy.

[motr]

Hi Andrew,

Upon loading the windows beta I'm getting "Failed to load plug-in instance manager lib. Product is not properly installed". I've tried running the setup as administrator as you mentioned earlier in the thread to no avail and have ensured that the setup is on the primary system drive. Any further suggestions? The original seems to work fine.

Thanks

[Andrew Souter]

What a great workflow with the updates...
Thanks for yr work. Precedence and Breeze... what a combination.

Regards,
tl.

Thanks for the compliments. Glad you like it.