Is using chord plugins and tools cheating if you do not know music theory?
- KVRAF
- 4822 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
The bloke who wrote the above Quora post about the Beatles developed the Groove Pizza which was endorsed by Julian Lennon that uses the math language of angles, shapes and patterns to make grooves and has his own quite terrific music education blog that I visit from time to time http://www.ethanhein.com/wp that has a lot about learning music by interacting with computers (and other people, the world, etc) so it made me ask How can you interact with a chord plugin to learn about chords?
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- KVRAF
- 2402 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
Check out the recent Scaler 1.8 video.Michael L wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:00 am The bloke who wrote the above Quora post about the Beatles developed the Groove Pizza which was endorsed by Julian Lennon that uses the math language of angles, shapes and patterns to make grooves and has his own quite terrific music education blog that I visit from time to time http://www.ethanhein.com/wp that has a lot about learning music by interacting with computers (and other people, the world, etc) so it made me ask How can you interact with a chord plugin to learn about chords?
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
https://tylerbisson.com/Groove-Pizzeria/Michael L wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:00 am The bloke who wrote the above Quora post about the Beatles developed the Groove Pizza which was endorsed by Julian Lennon that uses the math language of angles, shapes and patterns to make grooves and has his own quite terrific music education blog that I visit from time to time http://www.ethanhein.com/wp that has a lot about learning music by interacting with computers (and other people, the world, etc) so it made me ask How can you interact with a chord plugin to learn about chords?
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- addled muppet weed
- 105872 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- addled muppet weed
- 105872 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
sounds like some occult knowledge, sacred geometry or some such. best avoided, you might accidentally summon saville.Michael L wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:00 am The bloke who wrote the above Quora post about the Beatles developed the Groove Pizza which was endorsed by Julian Lennon that uses the math language of angles, shapes and patterns to make grooves and has his own quite terrific music education blog that I visit from time to time http://www.ethanhein.com/wp that has a lot about learning music by interacting with computers (and other people, the world, etc) so it made me ask How can you interact with a chord plugin to learn about chords?
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el-bo (formerly ebow) el-bo (formerly ebow) https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=208007
- KVRAF
- 16369 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away
After they played Sheikh Stadium
- KVRAF
- 4822 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
Also the Groove Pizza, less complex but more features: https://apps.musedlab.org/groovepizza/?museid=Hy0-8Vzer&
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Both are in this book which probably has the answer to "is it cheating?'
https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783319920689
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Straight2Vinyl Straight2Vinyl https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=395170
- KVRist
- 336 posts since 10 Mar, 2017
I have Scaler and never use it. I should crack it open once in a while to find a more exotic scale, but honestly I always get faster results just working out the chords myself. I think it's ultimately more efficient to study chords for several months in the end. It doesn't take long to understand most chord types and when to use them. Less time than I thought it would anyway. Use Scaler if it works for you, but I got a lot more out of watching youtube videos on my office lunch break and applying what I learn.
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- KVRAF
- 2402 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
Absolutely, me too, and I would say that unless you are using at a tool to learn theory, it is kind of useless (other than a library of exotic scales, and pretty good fretboard/arpeggiator/ strummer). I like using the detector function as I play to detect the chords and then use it’s scale/voicing functions. A pretty big defect is it’s lack of circle of fifths.Straight2Vinyl wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:32 pm I have Scaler and never use it. I should crack it open once in a while to find a more exotic scale, but honestly I always get faster results just working out the chords myself. I think it's ultimately more efficient to study chords for several months in the end. It doesn't take long to understand most chord types and when to use them. Less time than I thought it would anyway. Use Scaler if it works for you, but I got a lot more out of watching youtube videos on my office lunch break and applying what I learn.
As a tool to help you learn theory, it can (although not necessarily) speed up your learning process. MG The Future mentions this use many times.
The way I see it, you can know theory, but not necessarily be a very good player. Learning the theory, at least for me, is quicker than developing the intuition to actually compose music learning the theory. Scaler can speed this up.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105872 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
more arcane magickMichael L wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:49 pmAlso the Groove Pizza, less complex but more features: https://apps.musedlab.org/groovepizza/?museid=Hy0-8Vzer&
Part of the same social circle:
https://www.dynamictonality.com/xronomorph.htm
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Both are in this book which probably has the answer to "is it cheating?'
https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783319920689
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Straight2Vinyl Straight2Vinyl https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=395170
- KVRist
- 336 posts since 10 Mar, 2017
Sure, but playing should naturally improve along with theory, assuming you actually take time to play the chord types you learn in all keys and in a couple different voicings. I improved pretty rapidly when I did this. Of course I haven't in months and so I've stalled in progress, or regressed a bit. lol.perpetual3 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:45 pmAbsolutely, me too, and I would say that unless you are using at a tool to learn theory, it is kind of useless (other than a library of exotic scales, and pretty good fretboard/arpeggiator/ strummer). I like using the detector function as I play to detect the chords and then use it’s scale/voicing functions. A pretty big defect is it’s lack of circle of fifths.Straight2Vinyl wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:32 pm I have Scaler and never use it. I should crack it open once in a while to find a more exotic scale, but honestly I always get faster results just working out the chords myself. I think it's ultimately more efficient to study chords for several months in the end. It doesn't take long to understand most chord types and when to use them. Less time than I thought it would anyway. Use Scaler if it works for you, but I got a lot more out of watching youtube videos on my office lunch break and applying what I learn.
As a tool to help you learn theory, it can (although not necessarily) speed up your learning process. MG The Future mentions this use many times.
The way I see it, you can know theory, but not necessarily be a very good player. Learning the theory, at least for me, is quicker than developing the intuition to actually compose music learning the theory. Scaler can speed this up.
One thing I'd like to see in scaler is a guitar option with just as many guitar voicings. It would be helpful with guitar libraries like Orange Tree Evolution guitars. Also helpful for someone just playing some guitar chords themselves.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105872 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- addled muppet weed
- 105872 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
it would be remiss of me to not mention, im currently listening to an episode of the sage of quay radio show (some dude obsessed with the paul is dead conspiracy) which is about the beatles and occultism
the guest sounds like one of the dukes of hazard or something "yes siree bob, that there is what you call a magick circle! hooooey!"
samples ahoy is all i can think
the guest sounds like one of the dukes of hazard or something "yes siree bob, that there is what you call a magick circle! hooooey!"
samples ahoy is all i can think
- KVRAF
- 11001 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere
It has so many usesjacqueslacouth wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:52 am I suspect that the Trombone is really a piece of technology to make it easier (and less painful) to play musical farts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5IKthNYhVY