Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[grdh20]

The reactions in this thread, and the progression of the reactions, are quite interesting in and of themselves.

[yehboy1]

Is it true that all businesses in Germany today are closed for the release of Massive X?

[Stefken]

So you have 1 filter with a lot of models, and if you want more filters, you use the utility filters?

Any info on the filters (Monark = Moog ladder, Asimov = ?).
Is there a manual yet? Link may have been communicated but I guess I missed it then.

[EvilDragon]

Manual is going to be released soon.

Any questions can be directed to MX feedback area here:

https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... dback-Area

MX team is going to monitor there.

[Functional]

How do you mean "everything"? Only 16 parameters (the macros) are reported to host for automation.

You're partially right. Certainly not "everything" (in fact, not most things), but WT pos, filter cutoff/res. These are automatable, rest not so much it seems. So you're mostly right, but add these 4 things (wt1 & wt2 pos) to the list of automatable things: that means 20 parameters.

Kind of annoying though mostly because it means you have to first set them to macros before you can automate them. But nothing that can't be worked with and on the other hand I bet this prevents some quirkness

[MikeCallon]

What's happened to Komplete Kontrol mapping - am I missing something?

There are only 2 pages in KK for Macros 1 -16, nothing else is mapped at all and many of the presets have a naming mismatch between the Macro name in Massive X and what's displayed in Komplete Kontrol and on the S61 screens. Did NI drop the ball on this - anybody else seeing the same issue?

You're not missing anything. 16 macros is all that's automatable.

Wow, even reaktor exposes all it's parameters (if you want them exposed). Massive X just hides everything but the macros? That sucks.

Did you ever automate 30 parameters at once from a single plugin in the same track? Like, honestly.

Reaktor also has a limit on how many automation parameters can be reported (1000, IIRC). I guess they wanted to keep it simple here for majority of people? Not sure. Either way I don't see this as a huge detriment. A good setup of macros goes a long way.

OK, now I'm confused .... these 'Macros' seem to be only able to control 1 parameter at a time ... correct? And many of the presets don't change the macro name in Komplete Kontrol (to match the knob description in MX) when you change presets? Am I misunderstanding something?

[EvilDragon]

Not correct, macros can control multiple things at once, like in OG Massive.

I think during sound design it was made so that certain assignments are always on the same macros, for consistency.

[EvilDragon]

How do you mean "everything"? Only 16 parameters (the macros) are reported to host for automation.

You're partially right. Certainly not "everything" (in fact, not most things), but WT pos, filter cutoff/res. These are automatable, rest not so much it seems. So you're mostly right, but add these 4 things (wt1 & wt2 pos) to the list of automatable things: that means 20 parameters.

No I'm 100% correct, because what you mention are all macro assignments. There's 16 macros total, so 16 automatable parameters TOTAL.

[Functional]

What's happened to Komplete Kontrol mapping - am I missing something?

There are only 2 pages in KK for Macros 1 -16, nothing else is mapped at all and many of the presets have a naming mismatch between the Macro name in Massive X and what's displayed in Komplete Kontrol and on the S61 screens. Did NI drop the ball on this - anybody else seeing the same issue?

You're not missing anything. 16 macros is all that's automatable.

Wow, even reaktor exposes all it's parameters (if you want them exposed). Massive X just hides everything but the macros? That sucks.

Did you ever automate 30 parameters at once from a single plugin in the same track? Like, honestly.

Reaktor also has a limit on how many automation parameters can be reported (1000, IIRC). I guess they wanted to keep it simple here for majority of people? Not sure. Either way I don't see this as a huge detriment. A good setup of macros goes a long way.

OK, now I'm confused .... these 'Macros' seem to be only able to control 1 parameter at a time ... correct? And many of the presets don't change the macro name in Komplete Kontrol (to match the knob description in MX) when you change presets? Am I misunderstanding something?

Alright so I checked it out, I first thought this was correct but it's not - when you assign the macro directly to the knob itself, it then takes up some kind of "exclusive" mode where it controls the parameter directly in 1:1 ratio. But otherwise, you can add the macro to the small boxes as much as you'd like and there's no limitations, so whenever you want to have one macro in multiple parameters, you use the boxes instead of dragging it directly to the parameter.

[McLilith]

Is it true that all businesses in Germany today are closed for the release of Massive X?

No, not quite all. "Essential services" such as hospitals, ambulances, and Native Instruments tech support workers are still on the job.

[Functional]

How do you mean "everything"? Only 16 parameters (the macros) are reported to host for automation.

You're partially right. Certainly not "everything" (in fact, not most things), but WT pos, filter cutoff/res. These are automatable, rest not so much it seems. So you're mostly right, but add these 4 things (wt1 & wt2 pos) to the list of automatable things: that means 20 parameters.

No I'm 100% correct, because what you mention are all macro assignments. There's 16 macros total, so 16 automatable parameters TOTAL.

Oh god indeed you're correct, sorry for the confusion. Didn't even figure to take a look at the default macro assignments

[MikeCallon]

Not correct, macros can control multiple things at once, like in OG Massive.

I think during sound design it was made so that certain assignments are always on the same macros, for consistency.

So clicking the Macro number allows me to select a parameter to control. Clicking again and selecting a different parameter asks if I want to replace the current assignment (with just and OK or Cancel option). Sorry if this is a newbie question - just trying to figure this thing out - how do I assign multiple controls to a macro knob?

[EvilDragon]

Alright so I checked it out, I first thought this was correct but it's not - when you assign the macro directly to the knob itself, it then takes up some kind of "exclusive" mode where it controls the parameter directly in 1:1 ratio. But otherwise, you can add the macro to the small boxes as much as you'd like and there's no limitations, so whenever you want to have one macro in multiple parameters, you use the boxes instead of dragging it directly to the parameter.

Yes, dragging macros on knobs is like a quick-assign sort of thing. Just direct control of that parameter, whereas when you use the box, it's modulation added to the current value of a parameter.

Not correct, macros can control multiple things at once, like in OG Massive.

I think during sound design it was made so that certain assignments are always on the same macros, for consistency.

So clicking the Macro number allows me to select a parameter to control. Clicking again and selecting a different parameter asks if I want to replace the current assignment (with just and OK or Cancel option). Sorry if this is a newbie question - just trying to figure this thing out - how do I assign multiple controls to a macro knob?

Works exactly like it did in OG Massive. Drop a macro number onto a box, drag the box to adjust amount. Can do this with the same macro on all the boxes there are.

[Spirit2017]

Big synth developers produce bad sounding synths in the last years and this is a fact!I'm disappointed about that plastic sound

[MikeCallon]

Doh! I was dropping onto the control itself for 1:1 control! Thanks - got it - nice one