Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[gentleclockdivider]

After months of expectation I finally learned that I cannot install Massive X on my beloved 1st Gen Intel i7 PC....
"Installation has been prevented"
Massive X currently requires an AVX component processor. This computer's processor does not support the AVX instructions set."

Same here ,altough I didn't get the avx warning during installation .
As a matter of fact , the installation went fine ,massive x just doesn't want load as a vst plug

[Vortifex]

Is it possible to copy paste one osc settings to another?

Edit: guess not.

[Functional]

I think it’s odd that some people would choose to ignore bias depending on the person or situation. It doesn’t mean that one should outright dismiss that persons opinions, but I don’t see how one wouldn’t or shouldn’t take it as a factor when evaluating that opinion.

Bias comes in many forms. For example, if you happen to dislike how a synth sounds, you have bias against that synth regardless of the facts (and there's no objective reason why one should like MX). It's not like EvilDragon tries to hide that he is affiliated with NI and it's not like there's many of us who wouldn't be well aware of the fact.

But more importantly, bias doesn't really have a huge impact when the topic at hand is entirely quantifiable and there is no need for dodgy assumptions or anything like that. It can have an effect when it comes to downplaying the importance of something (or the contrary, making a big deal out of nothing) but statement like "MX has more aliasing than Massive" can be verified / disproved without any of that.

Personally speaking, I think when you have almost 200k followers, you do have a responsibility for your audience and you should damn well make sure that you know what you're talking about especially when making claims that ought to affect their purchasing decisions. If you don't, you'll just come across as a person who wants to stir controversy at the expense of others (in this case, NI) for the sake of getting views.

That video, unless he deletes it, will linger on the internet forever and people who are entirely unaware of discussion that is had here will see it and it will likely affect their decision, because they don't know any better. But hey, someone gets more viewers!

[EvilDragon]

Well said.

[Stefken]

Hardly objective and it shows ...

If you were objective you would regard the synth and not the person, making the person the subject of a supposed argument.
'he works for NI' is made into 'he can't be objective' but that doesn't necessarily follow, this is called supposition.

Also officially I don't work for NI in full capacity, I'm still a freelancer. But I do offer my services to NI since Dec 2018. I still do work for Impact Soundworks, In Session Audio, and some other Kontakt devs.

Thank you for confirming that you have a lot invested in that company. I'm not attacking you or anything and you've been helpfull along the way.

But your reactions make it obvious for me that you are biased though. Personally I would go easy on someone who has cancer even if he says something bad about your 'baby'.

End of discussion for me (like I said : this is not an attack or anything).

[chk071]

The sine wave in Massive X produces harmonics over the whole note range. Can't be aliasing, AFAIC. Maybe there's some on top of that, when you go up the frequency. As far as i understood it, every digital synth aliases.

There's no harmonics on sine wave if the filter is turned off. It seems all that "aliasing" just a filter overdrive behavior.

Tried turning off the filter now. You're absolutely right. Guess Sadowick didn't even bother to try it with deactivated filter.

[perpetual3]

I’m not sure that you are one of us here that made the personal attack, but since we all share the same hobby/passion (and I’ve said this before) I also don’t understand the personal attacks.

Thing is, he pretty much comes off as trying to bad mouth the developer. Why not just state his assumptions here, and, especially, let NI know about his observations? Instead he does a video with the title "Massive X aliases more than Massive (SCANDAL!!!)" (ok, i added the scandal, but, that's pretty much how it appears to me ), and when he gets called out fro stating something which is untrue, he comes here, and acts defensively. That's BS.

Guess you call that form of profile neurosis "investigative journalism" these days. Guess you can talk good anything, if you just try hard enough.

To be fair, he says in the beginning of the video that he doesn’t like to give products bad reviews, and the MX is still a good product, but that he expects more from NI. He seemed very diplomatic and respectful to me, but we all see things differently.

Still, do you think his video justifies the attacks and the mockery of his life threatening disease?

[chk071]

But your reactions make it obvious for me that you are biased though. Personally I would go easy on someone who has cancer even if he says something bad about your 'baby'.

So, i.e. someone could act like an asshole, and you'd go easy on him for his illness? Hmm...

Why is it even a topic here that he has cancer? No, seriously. Why?

[chk071]

Still, do you think his video justifies the attacks and the mockery of his life threatening disease?

No. It came from a single person. And i also wouldn't call it attack and mockery. If anything, then you and others are blowing this way out of proportion. I don't care if he has cancer, or anything. Maybe i have cancer. Who knows?

The thing is, he stated something, which is most probably wrong. You can't expect not to get called out for stating fake news.

[EvilDragon]

Hey I'd never put cancer into a discussion. Not sure who said that but that is absolutely undeserved.

This doesn't change the fact that Sadowick's video was clickbaity and not investigated enough. And it's a fact that the sinewave thing is absolutely NOT aliasing. ghettosynth showed that perfectly.

[EvilDragon]

Hardly objective and it shows ...

If you were objective you would regard the synth and not the person, making the person the subject of a supposed argument.
'he works for NI' is made into 'he can't be objective' but that doesn't necessarily follow, this is called supposition.

Also officially I don't work for NI in full capacity, I'm still a freelancer. But I do offer my services to NI since Dec 2018. I still do work for Impact Soundworks, In Session Audio, and some other Kontakt devs.

Thank you for confirming that you have a lot invested in that company. I'm not attacking you or anything and you've been helpfull along the way.

But your reactions make it obvious for me that you are biased though. Personally I would go easy on someone who has cancer even if he says something bad about your 'baby'.

End of discussion for me (like I said : this is not an attack or anything).

EVERYBODY is biased and nobody is ever 100% objective.

[chk071]

This doesn't change the fact that Sadowick's video was clickbaity and not investigated enough.

Exactly.

I don't think anyone claimed that YOU put cancer into the discussion. It was a single user, pages ago. And, frankly, i don't think it's worth another single word.

[BlitBit]

The sine wave in Massive X produces harmonics over the whole note range. Can't be aliasing, AFAIC. Maybe there's some on top of that, when you go up the frequency. As far as i understood it, every digital synth aliases.

There's no harmonics on sine wave if the filter is turned off. It seems all that "aliasing" just a filter overdrive behavior.

... or more likely, the sine in the wavetable is not a perfect sine but has some overtones.

Even if it's supposed to be a perfect sine, if the sine is played from the wavetable then you will get artifacts from the interpolation that's used during the lookups in the table. Even if you used the costly sin(x) function from the math library to produce the signal you would get artifacts at a certain level due to the restricted precision of the floating point numbers.

And I guess the FFT in the analyzer will also introduce some artifacts that will show up in the graph and that might not even be in the original signal. So there are tons of placed where these artifacts could be introduced.

While I also like to talk about this technical stuff and put synths through different tests I wonder how many people have ever listened to their favorite song on the radio (or stream) and said: "Something's not right with this song. I guess they have used synths that alias heavily." So while this stuff might be interesting from a technical perspective it's not that important from a practical perspective.

[perpetual3]

I think it’s odd that some people would choose to ignore bias depending on the person or situation. It doesn’t mean that one should outright dismiss that persons opinions, but I don’t see how one wouldn’t or shouldn’t take it as a factor when evaluating that opinion.

Bias comes in many forms. For example, if you happen to dislike how a synth sounds, you have bias against that synth regardless of the facts (and there's no objective reason why one should like MX). It's not like EvilDragon tries to hide that he is affiliated with NI and it's not like there's many of us who wouldn't be well aware of the fact.

But more importantly, bias doesn't really have a huge impact when the topic at hand is entirely quantifiable and there is no need for dodgy assumptions or anything like that. It can have an effect when it comes to downplaying the importance of something (or the contrary, making a big deal out of nothing) but statement like "MX has more aliasing than Massive" can be verified / disproved without any of that.

Personally speaking, I think when you have almost 200k followers, you do have a responsibility for your audience and you should damn well make sure that you know what you're talking about especially when making claims that ought to affect their purchasing decisions. If you don't, you'll just come across as a person who wants to stir controversy at the expense of others (in this case, NI) for the sake of getting views.

That video, unless he deletes it, will linger on the internet forever and people who are entirely unaware of discussion that is had here will see it and it will likely affect their decision, because they don't know any better. But hey, someone gets more viewers!

To be fair, I am not sure that the resolution to the problem has been quantified, but in the case that it has and I’m not aware yet, you make a good point. However, it certainly looked like aliasing, since in the high frequencies we see what looks like the nyquist fold back, but as I’ve said I’m no expert and hence why I sought all y’all’s opinions. Although the personal attacks were over the top and frankly disgusting.

Also, sadowick states multiple times that he will conduct more tests and is confident the issue will be addressed. His videos don’t strike me as clickbait, and he seems to have integrity so I don’t think he’ll allow that video to remain live, or if he does, he’ll follow it up with a revision such that he remains transparent.

[EvilDragon]

If he had proper integrity he'd first contact NI about it rather than going for those tasty clicks.