Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[graspee]

at this point you're just proving that you have a mission which is to prove that Massive X has supposedly some design flaws just because you don't like the synth.

He has stated he does like the synth.

[BDeep]

Filters sound great. Dune 3 and Massive X have really raised the bar here, IMO. That comb filter sounds phat as hell. I don’t quite understand how FM works, though. I’ve used the routing to put osc 2 into FM and nothing happens...

Is Dune3 that good? I will have to try it again then...

Anyway, did you make sure to raise the volume of Osc 2? The FM is after that.

EDIT: FM is for filter FM, there's a little knob on the filter. In case that wasn't clear

[telecode]

After getting Massive X, i not firmly believe I have way too many wavetable synths. No more! Need to start collecting other shit.

[chk071]

Filters sound great. Dune 3 and Massive X have really raised the bar here, IMO. That comb filter sounds phat as hell. I don’t quite understand how FM works, though. I’ve used the routing to put osc 2 into FM and nothing happens...

Is Dune3 that good? I will have to try it again then...

Dune 3 has filters on a similar level to Massive X. I much prefer Massive X's sound character though. Subjective.

[BlitBit]

You have to be careful to make sure that your observations aren't an artifact of your testing scenario. When I just run the sweep through iZotope insight on 44k the alisasing appears to be about 90 dB down from the fundamental, however, if I switch my system to 96k then they appear to be about 120 dB down. The wav file isn't changing, it's fixed at 48k so what's being observed is either a side effect of the measurement or dithering, or both. Without more testing, I can't know if even those results are also a side effect of measurement and that the aliasing is actually lower than that.

This, the wav is in 48kHz. I tested it in a 48 kHz environment, and you'll hear nothing (by ear anyway). You're right, people are hearing the SR conversion.

Jeez

The funny thing is that this file and the different results for different people alone show how much can go "wrong" in the whole audio chain. Yet many people do not even realize this and therefore do not even care about such details. And that's nothing bad because most of the time it's not perceivable and therefore does not really matter that much.

[Functional]

He has stated he does like the synth.

Which I'd love to believe up until the point where he goes off and demonstrates artifacts by... using Saturn? I'm sorry but honestly I will outright refuse to believe that he has ever, I mean ever, put another synth under such a scrutiny where he would even check how they perform through Saturn. For the mere fact alone that was mentioned by others: Saturn should be in HQ mode (and as such, he would have found any other synth just as "flawed").

But more importantly, it should be common sense that you don't generally speaking use distortion plugins to find flaws anywhere. I might be wrong on this and please, anyone can correct me here.

[ghettosynth]

You have to be careful to make sure that your observations aren't an artifact of your testing scenario. When I just run the sweep through iZotope insight on 44k the alisasing appears to be about 90 dB down from the fundamental, however, if I switch my system to 96k then they appear to be about 120 dB down. The wav file isn't changing, it's fixed at 48k so what's being observed is either a side effect of the measurement or dithering, or both. Without more testing, I can't know if even those results are also a side effect of measurement and that the aliasing is actually lower than that.

This, the wav is in 48kHz. I tested it in a 48 kHz environment, and you'll hear nothing (by ear anyway). You're right, people are hearing the SR conversion.

Jeez

The funny thing is that this file and the different results for different people alone show how much can go "wrong" in the whole audio chain. Yet many people do not even realize this and therefore do not even care about such details. And that's nothing bad because most of the time it's not perceivable and therefore does not really matter that much.

And it's ok if we're having a conversation and asking questions, exploring, and we get things wrong. When you put yourself out there as an expert AND talk shit besides, then that's not ok and you deserved to be called out over it.

[BlitBit]

After getting Massive X, i not firmly believe I have way too many wavetable synths. No more! Need to start collecting other shit.

Start collecting additive synths. Their oscillators do not alias.

[Functional]

After getting Massive X, i not firmly believe I have way too many wavetable synths. No more! Need to start collecting other shit.

Start collecting additive synths. Their oscillators do not alias.

And as an added benefit: your CPU will love those!

[BlitBit]

You have to be careful to make sure that your observations aren't an artifact of your testing scenario. When I just run the sweep through iZotope insight on 44k the alisasing appears to be about 90 dB down from the fundamental, however, if I switch my system to 96k then they appear to be about 120 dB down. The wav file isn't changing, it's fixed at 48k so what's being observed is either a side effect of the measurement or dithering, or both. Without more testing, I can't know if even those results are also a side effect of measurement and that the aliasing is actually lower than that.

This, the wav is in 48kHz. I tested it in a 48 kHz environment, and you'll hear nothing (by ear anyway). You're right, people are hearing the SR conversion.

Jeez

The funny thing is that this file and the different results for different people alone show how much can go "wrong" in the whole audio chain. Yet many people do not even realize this and therefore do not even care about such details. And that's nothing bad because most of the time it's not perceivable and therefore does not really matter that much.

And it's ok if we're having a conversation and asking questions, exploring, and we get things wrong. When you put yourself out there as an expert AND talk shit besides, then that's not ok and you deserved to be called out over it.

I wholeheartly agree. Constructive conversations make people aware of things and there's also a lot to take away from and learn.

[ghettosynth]

sadowick is 100% right.
massive x does alias, anyone trying to defend otherwise should hang their head in shame.

does it matter if it does alias? Yes of course, NI are throwing us early access at premium prices.
beware the shills that will defend NI's honor.

Did you want to update that percentage at all?

[Kian Russell]

Did you want to update that percentage at all?

its already maxed out.
look no disrespect intended but i decided against massive x.
i've already moved on, got my eyes on phase plant.

[ghettosynth]

Did you want to update that percentage at all?

its already maxed out.
look no disrespect intended but i decided against massive x.
i've already moved on, got my eyes on phase plant.

I don't care what you buy or don't buy, that's your choice, but I think that it's been fairly well supported that your estimate of correctness is wrong. Since you're calling other people shills, I thought maybe you'd like the opportunity to step up and walk that back a bit.

[mladi]

Did you want to update that percentage at all?

its already maxed out.
look no disrespect intended but i decided against massive x.
i've already moved on, got my eyes on phase plant.

[KBSoundSmith]

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You could have attempted to reach out to NI first before making the video and ask for clarifications. I can't say whenever they would have responded, but then you could have said that they didn't respond to you or something. You could have consulted at least someone else than only yourself on this topic, who could have pointed out few quite integral aspects. You could have also mentioned that aliasing at that is below -100db is practically inaudible. We're talking about dithering levels here in some cases and dithering truly is meant to be inaudible noise.

That is something an old time journalist might try. That isn't how media distribution works today. The monetary system revolves around clicks and ad revenue -- it doesn't monetarily benefit a publisher or content creator to be accurate or thorough in a single publication, whether text/video/etc. Instead, they can get another round of clicks/ad revenue by publishing a separate "correction" piece (or a "fan the flames and build my following into an irrational froth with stubborn disagreement" piece). Accuracy of information is irrelevant to this model -- and outright fabrications often work best, as they can best be tailored to incite an audience.