Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[Functional]

So, this alleged aliasing, is really only an issue at lower sample rates, right? If you run your session at 88.2 or higher, you wouldn’t need oversampling per say, because the aliasing issue would disappear right?

It's not that it would really disappear, it's just that you effectively double the nyqvist frequency (to 44.1khz) and any potential folded aliasing residuals that come back across all the way from there would practically not exist except mathematically.

I mean, don't quote me on this, but that's how it should technically work but measures that counter anti-aliasing might work differently there.

[highkoo]

Holy shit.
I am amazingly more disappointed than I was already prepared for.

[McLilith]

So, this alleged aliasing, is really only an issue at lower sample rates, right? If you run your session at 88.2 or higher, you wouldn’t need oversampling per say, because the aliasing issue would disappear right?

Speaking in general, not about Massive X in particular, it is still possible to have audible aliasing in digital audio that has a sample rate of 88.2 kHz. It's generally less of an issue at higher sample rates, and easier to prevent, but still a possibility.

[foosnark]

I already have more than enough synths to make music. I don't need Massive X to make music.

This.

It's really hard to sell me a software synth anymore.

Thorn, Cadmium, Hive and Serum are sitting on my hard drive unused. They're all fine synths!

I tried Pigments, thought it was really nice and that I had zero need for it.

I don't think I will even try the Massive X demo.


But I'm still hoping that Madrona Labs Sumu will be something special (...and that, someday it will exist); I will absolutely buy Noise Engineering's VST versions of its Eurorack voices; I may pick up more of Plogue's chippy stuff.

[JoeCat]

Distortion is fun.

Haven't gotten the feedback quite where I want it (and since I have no use for this patch, who cares). But there will be much guitar emanating from this synth.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ga7k8m4r25hix ... n.mp3?dl=0

(and I dont' know why I can never play dropbox links directly; always have to open in another tab...?)

I really like that!

[perpetual3]

So, this alleged aliasing, is really only an issue at lower sample rates, right? If you run your session at 88.2 or higher, you wouldn’t need oversampling per say, because the aliasing issue would disappear right?

It's not that it would really disappear, it's just that you effectively double the nyqvist frequency (to 44.1khz) and any potential folded aliasing residuals that come back across all the way from there would practically not exist except mathematically.

I mean, don't quote me on this, but that's how it should technically work but measures that counter anti-aliasing might work differently there.

Aha. Thanks.

[perpetual3]

So, this alleged aliasing, is really only an issue at lower sample rates, right? If you run your session at 88.2 or higher, you wouldn’t need oversampling per say, because the aliasing issue would disappear right?

Speaking in general, not about Massive X in particular, it is still possible to have audible aliasing in digital audio that has a sample rate of 88.2 kHz. It's generally less of an issue at higher sample rates, and easier to prevent, but still a possibility.

Thanks.

[perpetual3]

I already have more than enough synths to make music. I don't need Massive X to make music.

This.

It's really hard to sell me a software synth anymore.

Thorn, Cadmium, Hive and Serum are sitting on my hard drive unused. They're all fine synths!

I tried Pigments, thought it was really nice and that I had zero need for it.

I don't think I will even try the Massive X demo.


But I'm still hoping that Madrona Labs Sumu will be something special (...and that, someday it will exist); I will absolutely buy Noise Engineering's VST versions of its Eurorack voices; I may pick up more of Plogue's chippy stuff.

You sound like me. I love Plogues Chipsounds PortaFM (and that thing aliases like nobodies business)!

[Functional]

But I'm still hoping that Madrona Labs Sumu will be something special (...and that, someday it will exist)

I hope it's going to be good. So good that I will never have to dish out thousands for a Kyma system. I mean, I never probably will, because KymaX doesn't have a DAW integration AND I'm sort of steering off from sound design work lately but still, it would be nice to have a mini-Kyma at your disposal and I'd be willing to pay for that. Fun thing about them is also that each of their plugins have a finnish name, i.e. Kaivo means "well" in finnish, as in, like a water well. Sumu means fog.

There is a huge caveat though: if it's going to be good, it's going to eat your CPU like there's no tomorrow. It'd be interesting to see how some 4790k would fare with KymaX but I'm somewhat certain that the answer would mostly be: it wouldn't

[ghettosynth]

But I'm still hoping that Madrona Labs Sumu will be something special (...and that, someday it will exist)

I hope it's going to be good. So good that I will never have to dish out thousands for a Kyma system. I mean, I never probably will, because KymaX doesn't have a DAW integration AND I'm sort of steering off from sound design work lately but still, it would be nice to have a mini-Kyma at your disposal and I'd be willing to pay for that. Fun thing about them is also that each of their plugins have a finnish name, i.e. Kaivo means "well" in finnish, as in, like a water well. Sumu means fog.

There is a huge caveat though: if it's going to be good, it's going to eat your CPU like there's no tomorrow. It'd be interesting to see how some 4790k would fare with KymaX but I'm somewhat certain that the answer would mostly be: it wouldn't

I'd be willing to be that for hobbyists a native Kyma would probably be usable on a modern system, but it will never happen. Their entire business model is built around selling expensive hardware.

[JoeCat]

But I'm still hoping that Madrona Labs Sumu will be something special (...and that, someday it will exist)

I hope it's going to be good. So good that I will never have to dish out thousands for a Kyma system. I mean, I never probably will, because KymaX doesn't have a DAW integration AND I'm sort of steering off from sound design work lately but still, it would be nice to have a mini-Kyma at your disposal and I'd be willing to pay for that. Fun thing about them is also that each of their plugins have a finnish name, i.e. Kaivo means "well" in finnish, as in, like a water well. Sumu means fog.

There is a huge caveat though: if it's going to be good, it's going to eat your CPU like there's no tomorrow. It'd be interesting to see how some 4790k would fare with KymaX but I'm somewhat certain that the answer would mostly be: it wouldn't

I've yet to play with Kaivo, which is always looked interesting. And I love Aalto's interface.

Doesn't the Kyma stuff still have to render? I didn't think it worked all in real-time - I assume anything that came close to that functionality on the PC, I'd be freezing/bouncing anyway.

[Functional]

Doesn't the Kyma stuff still have to render? I didn't think it worked all in real-time - I assume anything that came close to that functionality on the PC, I'd be freezing/bouncing anyway.

Uhh, I honestly don't know but I've seen videos of it where things worked in realtime (or they were unnecessarily edited to make it appear so). + they're selling Blackhole (which is essentially a system that combines multiple Pacaranas) and I don't see the point in that if not for real-time processing. IIRC these things also had very little storage, which kind of made me wonder just what exactly are they selling at that pricetag because it seems none of the price is going at least into hard drive.

I'd be willing to be that for hobbyists a native Kyma would probably be usable on a modern system, but it will never happen. Their entire business model is built around selling expensive hardware.

Yeah this could be true as well. At this point though I'd rather consider Continuum keyboard because it comes with quite fancy synth engine as well. Probably nothing in terms of customization compared to KymaX but I'm willing to be that you can do quite interesting things there as well. EaganMatrix is the name of that engine, apparently. Hell, might actually get ContinuuMini if it's going to cost less than a thousand. Don't really have much use for the full keyboard but can imagine plenty of uses for the small one with lead melodies.

[digitalboytn]

I already have more than enough synths to make music. I don't need Massive X to make music.

This.

It's really hard to sell me a software synth anymore.

Many people like to tell the world on KVR about all of the new toys that they have bought,but not so much about the music they have made with the tools the already have

Most of us are suffering from system overload and always installing updates and working out why this is not going so well with that...

It can be quite time consuming and time is our most valuable resource while we are here on this earth...

There are always two sides to the story...

When we introduce something new into our existing workflow,it can inspire us,but it can also waste a lot of precious time...

The truth is,that is most music,basic tools can help us to put together the sounds we need to realise the end result.

We really don't need to get bogged down in what is modulating this or what is synced to that...

One of the main goals in music us to modulate the heart of the listener and if we can achieve that by tapping a stick on the ground,then the tools have served their purpose...

There is no need to complicate things,or to put more and more obstacles in the way of the final product appearing at the master buss...

Sometimes too many choices make it too hard to make the one move that matters

[ghettosynth]

I already have more than enough synths to make music. I don't need Massive X to make music.

This.

It's really hard to sell me a software synth anymore.

Many people like to tell the world on KVR about all of the new toys that they have bought,but not so much about the music they have made with the tools the already have

Don't commit a Type III error here, right answer, wrong reason.

https://www.statisticshowto.datascience ... cal-tests/

This kind of statement is often masking an implied hypothesis that people who don't share their music must not be creating music. Often this is used to mask a further erroneous hypothesis that because the presenter of the flawed hypotheses shares their music, that their position on whatever topic is under discussion is somehow more correct.

People may not be sharing their music on KVR because they don't make it, or, people may not be sharing their music on KVR because there is absolutely no point in doing so.

KVR is a useful forum to discuss the features of plugins and the underlying details of music technology. IMNSHO, it's pretty useless for much else. Frankly, I think that taken as a body of work, KVR's music is mostly a comedy.

[PatchAdamz]

From a creative perspective, this allows for a whole new can of worms.

Tasty little buggers....