Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[Maeldron]

One more word about the envelopes, then I leave for a while.

I started this hobby about a year ago. The way I learned what an envelope was, was the visual presentation. I had no idea about anything. I sat down with Falcon because I wanted to start with "the best", as always. And it was in a sale at that time.

At first, it was scary. The first time, it took me at least twenty minutes to make a sound with it. (Any sound). I switched to u-he synths. The first one was the Hive. I liked them but I didn’t understand anything.

Later, I gave the whole thing another chance. When I restarted, I opened Falcon again. After a while, it turned out that it’s one of the easiest synths to use. The display of the DADHSR helped me a lot to understand what was going on.

Not everyone is a musician here. I guess most people who buy these things are not musicians. It’s a hobby for many. Then, for some, it becomes serious after a while. I was trying things for one year before I read the first VSTi manual.

[Functional]

You're trying to find every smallest excuse you can to complain about a great synth. A lot of people here agree that it feels a bit rushed but you're literally painting demons on the wall because apparently a magnifying glass to you has to mean a search function. See how pdxindy criticizes MX; no whining, no BS.

My first two posts were about Massive X. I don’t care. I have dozens of synths.

The rest of my comments were about the reactions. Like people telling me that wavetable synths can’t make a sine wave after I posted a video on which most of the correct sine waves were done by wavetable synths.

It’s true that Falcon’s analog OSC can make a sine wave and its wavetable synth can’t (same about the saw). I consider it not a feature but a weakness of the engine. It’s not called "Almost sine". It’s called "Sine". It should be sine then.

And you also ignored bunch of comments here explaining that if you want a pure sine, all you have to do is use the osc filter, which filters out everything but the fundamental (which, in turn, results into a pure sine wave). I understand that this isn't necessarily as intuitive as loading up a sine wave and expecting it to act as a pure sine but at the same time, once you learn this, you'll know it forever. It's not complicated.

And the reason it works like this is because pure sine waves aren't usually something people actually want and on the other hand this design allows for _any_ wavetable to be turned into a sinewave. What more do you exactly want? A pure sine table when any waveform can be turned into one?

[pdxindy]

How does that differ from the Envelope Level control? Functionally, they seem to do the same thing except for the Amp Env where the Level control does nothing.

Seems that Peak is not dynamically adjustable but only refreshed at note on, and env level is just scaling the result of the envelope in realtime.

Yeah, I noticed that... but in practical terms, it seems redundant. I'm still wondering if it is a bug as it is grouped with Attack but affects the whole envelope.

[Stefken]

But as you can imagine, this means that you can't simply play straight up chords and trigger notes like you could in traditional arpeggiator and instead you have to program the sequence yourself. It's kind of a shame that they didn't include a traditional arpeggiator but on the other hand Cubase has couple of them inbuilt and you can always manually arpeggiate the notes you'd like. The sequencer is useful for making inbuilt slides though. Or, because you have 3 of them, you could make a chord progression with triads (or otherwise chords that omit notes) by assigning each one of them to their own oscillators.

You can route a performer to the harmonization (chords) section of the voice pane and trigger chords.

But it isn't a sequencer though...

[chk071]

You're trying to find every smallest excuse you can to complain about a great synth. A lot of people here agree that it feels a bit rushed but you're literally painting demons on the wall because apparently a magnifying glass to you has to mean a search function. See how pdxindy criticizes MX; no whining, no BS.

My first two posts were about Massive X. I don’t care. I have dozens of synths.

The rest of my comments were about the reactions. Like people telling me that wavetable synths can’t make a sine wave after I posted a video on which most of the correct sine waves were done by wavetable synths.

It’s true that Falcon’s analog OSC can make a sine wave and its wavetable synth can’t (same about the saw). I consider it not a feature but a weakness of the engine. It’s not called "Almost sine". It’s called "Sine". It should be sine then.

I just made this, using 3 different oscilloscopes:

Massive_X_Sine_02.jpg

Massive_X_Sine_03.jpg

Massive_X_Sine_04.jpg

Surely looks like a sine to me...


Again, maybe you left the filter on. The filter adds harmonics, so, it won't be a pure sine anymore, obviously.

[realtrance]

One more word about the envelopes, then I leave for a while.

I started this hobby about a year ago. The way I learned what an envelope was, was the visual presentation. I had no idea about anything. I sat down with Falcon because I wanted to start with "the best", as always. And it was in a sale at that time.

At first, it was scary. The first time, it took me at least twenty minutes to make a sound with it. (Any sound). I switched to u-he synths. The first one was the Hive. I liked them but I didn’t understand anything.

Later, I gave the whole thing another chance. When I restarted, I opened Falcon again. After a while, it turned out that it’s one of the easiest synths to use. The display of the DADHSR helped me a lot to understand what was going on.

Not everyone is a musician here. I guess most people who buy these things are not musicians. It’s a hobby for many. Then, for some, it becomes serious after a while. I was trying things for one year before I read the first VSTi manual.

15 posts, been doing this a year.....

Uh-huh.

[pdxindy]

Again, maybe you left the filter on. The filter adds harmonics, so, it won't be a pure sine anymore, obviously.

Also, perhaps filter is not quite the right word. It makes people think it is not a Sine and then you are having to add a filter to make a Sine which some can see as a workaround or not the 'real' thing.

One could also look at it from the other direction. It is a Sine wave and there is a subtle waveshaper that can add harmonic content.

[Functional]

One more word about the envelopes, then I leave for a while.

I started this hobby about a year ago. The way I learned what an envelope was, was the visual presentation. I had no idea about anything. I sat down with Falcon because I wanted to start with "the best", as always. And it was in a sale at that time.

At first, it was scary. The first time, it took me at least twenty minutes to make a sound with it. (Any sound). I switched to u-he synths. The first one was the Hive. I liked them but I didn’t understand anything.

Later, I gave the whole thing another chance. When I restarted, I opened Falcon again. After a while, it turned out that it’s one of the easiest synths to use. The display of the DADHSR helped me a lot to understand what was going on.

Not everyone is a musician here. I guess most people who buy these things are not musicians. It’s a hobby for many. Then, for some, it becomes serious after a while. I was trying things for one year before I read the first VSTi manual.

15 posts, been doing this a year.....

Uh-huh.

I mean it's entirely plausible for him to do something for a year without being in KVR. His channel implies so too.

But with that being said, maybe being so overly confident that you are right with just a year of experience behind you is not the best way to go. Back when I had a year behind me, I certainly didn't feel like I really understood that well what's going on with synths.

[chk071]

Again, maybe you left the filter on. The filter adds harmonics, so, it won't be a pure sine anymore, obviously.

Also, perhaps filter is not quite the right word. It makes people think it is not a Sine and then you are having to add a filter to make a Sine which some can see as a workaround or not the 'real' thing.

One could also look at it from the other direction. It is a Sine wave and there is a subtle waveshaper that can add harmonic content.

Sure, but, the important thing is that the oscillator obviously produces a pure sine wave, while the harmonics, thus the reason why the sine wave isn't pure anymore, seems to be the filter. So, if you want to judge whether or not the oscillators produce a pure sine wave, you need to deactivate the filter to do so.

I've seen 2 videos now where people didn't do so, and wondered about harmonics, which they called "aliasing" while they aren't. Man, what a mess.

[LoveEnigma18]

From 150 odd pages to 224 in 2 days is mind-boggling. The power of Massive X.

[chk071]

True. Total hype. Positively and negatively.

[realtrance]

70 of those pages dedicated to sustained trolling about non-issues.

Par for the course these days.

[Functional]

70 of those pages dedicated to sustained trolling about non-issues.

Par for the course these days.

now that's an extremely aliased opinion

[LoveEnigma18]

Yeah. No offence, but this topic needs some space, at least until Massive X 1.0.1 update.

[realtrance]

70 of those pages dedicated to sustained trolling about non-issues.

Par for the course these days.

now that's an extremely aliased opinion

Lol!

I assume the sequencer can be modulated by LFOs and envelopes, yes? Is this possible per step, and can you create modulation sequences as well with it?

How to do so, if these are possible?