KVR Audio

kvnes · Post by **kvnes** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:59 am

I have been trying to figure this out for a long time. I don't know if some
hosts just hide a nice limiter in there somewhere or if it is something else.

Then I have to wonder if it is the GUI that I like (because visuals have influence, too), and
the 'engine' is transparent from one host to the next.

I don't want to know their secrets, (ok, maybe a little bit), but it would be nice to
know if what I am feeling is indeed auditory in origen.

Thanks.

mgw38 · Post by **mgw38** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:09 am

Mixbus has a Harrison console emulation integrated into the DAW. But other than that, all DAWs sound the same.

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:15 am

<tl;dr>
Short answer: No.

el-bo (formerly ebow) · Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:45 am

Some hosts sound better than others
Some hosts sound better than others
Some hosts mothers sound better than other hosts mothers.

True story

PeterP_swe · Post by **PeterP_swe** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:48 am

The stock effects and instruments can have a sound if you use them, but the mix engine? No.

dupont · Post by **dupont** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:33 am

some will tell there are no differences between DAWs That it is a matter of 0 and 1 but in my opnion, there are differences from DAW to DAW perhaps something on the mix buss.
The worst is Ableton live even with the same plugins, I can hear a difference. compared with other DAWs.

mladi · Post by **mladi** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:46 am

Here we go again..

..but the answer is still: No.

an-electric-heart · Post by **an-electric-heart** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:57 am

Reaper sounds the best actually, and Fruity Loops sounds the worst... because of it's sub-par sound engine.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:03 am

I could argue now that, when the DAW's only null up to -80 dB, then they DO sound different, even maybe not perceptible, but... i won't. Or well, i already did. Whatever.

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:09 am

While threads about digital summing often devolve into snake pits of crazy superstition, most of the confusion seems to arise from the fact that there are audible differences between properly developed host applications, but these usually have a mundane explanation, which is that there use different pan laws.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_law

If you correct for this, 99% of the time the audible differences disappear.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:18 am

Good point.

kvnes · Post by **kvnes** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:54 pm

Thanks for discussing the question. I think I really am affected by how nice a GUI is, then, because I like
some DAW's a lot more and its definitely not because they are easier to use. The routing on some of them is
difficult to figure out/takes hours until you learn how it all works and the midi editors can drive a person nuts
until you get used to whatever quirks are there with the zooming and everything. If some hosts are different/better
than others, one can simply figure out their own fx chain to put on the master track, I suppose, though I don't know
yet how I would design that. Small differences/enhancements can give a lot of satisfaction, especially with soft synths
because there is not enough natural sounding variation/humanization. They are too perfect.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:57 pm

It depends on how aggressive the parasite is and which orifice it decides to enter through.

reggie1979 · Post by **reggie1979** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:10 pm

No difference. But you definitely need this:

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articl ... ntroduced/

Googly Smythe · Post by **Googly Smythe** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:15 pm

reggie1979 wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:10 pm No difference. But you definitely need this:

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articl ... ntroduced/

This is better...
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General Question: Do some Hosts sound different from others, overall?