Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[chk071]

MX is superb. I pity you guys for missing it.

[Mushy Mushy]

MX is superb. I pity you guys for missing it.

After I learn the remaining 90% of Serum I might try it out.

[Vortifex]

Shocking! I didn't expected that!! I thought when they were talking about the visual feedback, they meant animation (like say Circle2 or other synths) so I didn't mind missing, but this static mode is ridiculous! Why then included the drawing?!

Anyway, I upvoted your request. No, I didn't buy it exactly. It came with Komplete 12 which I upgraded to because of Kontakt in the first place (especially the libraries included like Middle East, India ..etc). So, it is just a bonus for me!

Ok then. I really now prefer using the old Massive and also Sugar Bytes Factory is on the same league in sounds with a great GUI and modulations. I think Massive X needs at least one year (that if they have the intention to develop it more!). Luckily they didn't replace the old Massive!

It definitely needs some more work and polish. Seems like they had to make some tough choices about what to leave out/leave unfixed to get it out the door. Obviously the internal story could be different but that's how it looks to me as a consumer.

[chk071]

MX is superb. I pity you guys for missing it.

After I learn the remaining 90% of Serum I might try it out.

[EnGee]

They shouldn't ignore the old Massive strengths! The envelopes/LFOs are great in the old Massive. What I see they only developed the performers further but where is the morphing in the envelopes?! Come on NI!

[Teksonik]

I'm also not seeing any presets even after refreshing twice.

Factory library is a separate install from NA.

Seems like Native Instruments is needlessly over complicating things.

Oh well 20 hours left in the sale and at this point I think I'll pass on the K Upgrade. It's a whole lot of stuff that would be fun to have in my collection but nothing I really really need.

I've already got a few high quality Wavetable synths so I'll see what the Black Friday sales bring. Maybe I'll add MassiveX then.

Until then I trust the KVR Beta /Quality Control Team will iron out any issues by November.......

[ghettosynth]

Anyway, if you bought Komplete 12, you also bought Massive X, no matter if you paid for it relatively low cosidering its individual price on the store. That's just how marketing works

See it however you want, but other people are going to see it differently and we don't need your amateur analysis to determine whether the delivered value meets our expectations given the bundled pricing. This has shit all to do with marketing, bundling valuation is completely in the purview of the consumer and is going to vary by individual consumer needs. At best you can argue that there we can model behavior in the aggregate and use that model to inform marketing, but that has shit all to do with any individual choice to value differently from your aggregate model.

For many of us, this was a required update because of our reliance on Kontakt and the timeliness of the sale. After that anchor product is evaluated for value we divide up the rest among the remaining products. How we assign that value is an individual proposition, however, it's very difficult to get to a more than about $10 per product with Komplete updates using a simple averaging model and, for many of us, we will use the value of other products that we would buy without the update at the price that we would pay to assign the cost. The fact is, with 23 new products in Komplete 12 over komplete 11, assuming that you have none of those otherwise, then that is less than $5 per product using simple averaging. That's not how any model shows that consumers value bundles though, look at the research yourself if you don't believe me. They first assign anchor products, e.g., Kontakt. If you think that the Kontakt update is worth, e.g., $50, then that means that the remaining products are on the order of a few bucks each.

The long and short of this, for many , is that they would have purchased the Komplete update on this sale without Massive X because waiting means potentially not having Kontakt 6 for up to another year, so they may view this more as a free preview than a paid product. Your humorous assertions of how marketing relate to this have absolutely no bearing on that mental model.

n. Yadav (1994) argues that buyers evaluate product bundles using an
anchoring and adjustment model. His research shows that consumers tend to anchor on the more important item in a bundle and adjust their evaluations by taking into account less important items. These two studies are consistent in that anchoring and adjusting is presumed to underlie many of the processing strategies and models reported by decision researchers,including an averaging model (Johnson and Puto, 1987; Hogarth and Einhorn, 1989).

[midi_transmission]

Wow, the ridiculous aliasing discussion has inflated this thread to crazy proportions.

Why is nobody talking about the fact that NI has released, in 2019, a synthesizer that doesn't allow your DAW to automate any parameters unless you assign macro knobs to them?

Its because Massive X is targeted to KVR community wheres only minority of people are actually making music. Majority are just checking presets and analyzing sound quality and comparing how analog it is to a synth they owned 2 decades ago or just heard samples on youtube. When you only do that you just dont need automation

[perfumer]

Do I notice aliasing in the oscillators? Yeah. I didn’t at first but with all the talk I checked out the sawtooth at the upper range of my 61 key controller. Yes, clearly audible aliasing. Do I care? Not a bit. If the rest of the synth was flaccid and weak, I’d probably be part of the contingent of whiners, but...

On a more objective note, this has been advertized as 'clean', 'advanced' and a notch or two above the current top wavetable synths - in every way. Very advanced technology, developed by a team of seasoned experts, etc.

Aliasing is an undesired effect and they've put a lot of effort in removing, reducing and so on dealing with it. The end result is that it is audible, you can hear the aliasing. Would anyone call this a success?

Besides, digital artifacts such as aliasing, lossy compression etc. can cause earache, headache, especially if you're demoing raw oscillators and looking specifically at the high frequencies they produce. Just like I did the other day for a few hours - on headphones, - got my ears burning, then came here and found out why.

Edit: 'demoing raw oscillators and looking specifically at the high frequencies they produce.' - that's the first thing I do when demoing a new synthesizer. Browsing through presets is not real demoing and not my thing at all.

[DJ Warmonger]

Aliasing is for peasants. I run my projects at 88200 sampling rate

[ghettosynth]

Do I notice aliasing in the oscillators? Yeah. I didn’t at first but with all the talk I checked out the sawtooth at the upper range of my 61 key controller. Yes, clearly audible aliasing. Do I care? Not a bit. If the rest of the synth was flaccid and weak, I’d probably be part of the contingent of whiners, but...

On a more objective note, this has been advertized as 'clean', 'advanced' and a notch or two above the current top wavetable synths - in every way. Very advanced technology, developed by a team of seasoned experts, etc.

Aliasing is an undesired effect and they've put a lot of effort in removing, reducing and so on dealing with it. The end result is that it is audible, you can hear the aliasing. Would anyone call this a success?

Besides, digital artifacts such as aliasing, lossy compression etc. can cause earache, headache, especially if you're demoing raw oscillators and looking specifically at the high frequencies they produce. Just like I did the other day for a few hours - on headphones, - got my ears burning, then came here and found out why.

Edit: 'demoing raw oscillators and looking specifically at the high frequencies they produce.' - that's the first thing I do when demoing a new synthesizer. Browsing through presets is not real demoing and not my thing at all.

I get the sense some compromises were made to appeal to the CPU whiners. I think an HQ mode with much more oversampling is not an unreasonable thing for this synth. It's really low on CPU for being "next-gen."

[BDeep]

Hmmm, doodling around with MX, MX has some rough edges, yes, but also very much enjoyable.

https://soundcloud.com/bramvanriel/big- ... e-x-doodle

[pdxindy]

Like many have been saying, without knowing exactly what went down, it looks obvious that NI had to make some hard decisions about what to include and what to omit from the 1.0 release.

That only came about because they announced it far too soon.

[pdxindy]

Can i ask if there is an effective tagging system for patches?

None at all....it doesn't have many of the basic functions I expect from a modern synth. Give it another year or so and it will probably be finished. Right now to me it looks and feels like a Reaktor instrument even though it doesn't need Reaktor! Its sounds good (but no better than most of the usual suspects) and is quite well optimised but it is extremely very basic in terms of visuals, midi and general niceties....

Yeah... it doesn't even have a browser... just a plain window with no additional functionality thrown in there to have anything at all

[perfumer]

And it doesn't remember the name of the currently loaded patch when I reopen the project. How dumb is that?!?!?!