Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[buzz1]

Now if Massive X allowed me to do that with 4 WT oscs and 6 inserts and 2 filters, it'd be the synth of my dreams.

You could replicate that number by using two instances together, like layer mode on a pro 12 for example. No ideal I know but similar.

[chk071]

He was told to use the filter knob to get rid of the harmonics. Instead of thinking even twice about it, he decided what this meant on ED's behalf. Instead of asking "What filter knob?" (clearly he didn't figure out that part), he just throws out the whole message because ED is affiliated with NI. And he also tells ED to go and tell NI employees to "do their job".

If he is going to be an ass, people will treat him like one. Is it really unjust?

No.



I think Sadowick is one of the best produzahs and influenzahs, though.

[Functional]

Now if Massive X allowed me to do that with 4 WT oscs and 6 inserts and 2 filters, it'd be the synth of my dreams.

You could replicate that number by using two instances together, like layer mode on a pro 12 for example. No ideal I know but similar.

Yes, but then what you have is essentially just two different instances, which sadly doesn't help with expanding the routing of a single instance. Once you start using stuff like feedback, you'll quickly learn why two separate instances isn't even a workaround really.

Also another item on the wishlist: expanding the noise oscs altogether. I want to control their phase too. In fact, let us just load custom samples. Now that would be purrrrrrrfect. I've had so much fun with the noise oscs actually as it is, but especially the human-like and animal sounds are lacking as there is only essentially like a bird, two grizzly growls and two human voices. That's surprisingly a lot considering how much can be done with those already, but I want moar

[Functional]

I think Sadowick is one of the best produzahs and influenzahs, though.

I must admit, he did give me a mild case of some very serious brain influenza briefly

[ghettosynth]

If he is going to be an ass, people will treat him like one. Is it really unjust?

+1

[realtrance]

Rishab’s latest MX tutorial:

[Urs]

.. I'd surely hope that a user manual would clear up why the sine wave oscillators produce audible harmonics (nothing wrong with that if it's an inherent part of the synthesis..

Urs, the sine wave hasn't any harmonics when the filters are turned off. I suppose it's a kind of overdrive behavior.

He did switch filters on and off, and he did connect the oscillator directly to the output and it showed harmonics.

Yes, apparently one can filter those harmonics inside the (main) oscillator and then it looks clean.

[beater]

Yea, that's quite a handy feature. Does it alias though?Sorry

[ghettosynth]

.. I'd surely hope that a user manual would clear up why the sine wave oscillators produce audible harmonics (nothing wrong with that if it's an inherent part of the synthesis..

Urs, the sine wave hasn't any harmonics when the filters are turned off. I suppose it's a kind of overdrive behavior.

He did switch filters on and off, and he did connect the oscillator directly to the output and it showed harmonics.

Yes, apparently one can filter those harmonics inside the (main) oscillator and then it looks clean.

In the original video he did not turn on the lowpass that tracks frequency in the OSC.

[chk071]

.. I'd surely hope that a user manual would clear up why the sine wave oscillators produce audible harmonics (nothing wrong with that if it's an inherent part of the synthesis..

Urs, the sine wave hasn't any harmonics when the filters are turned off. I suppose it's a kind of overdrive behavior.

He did switch filters on and off, and he did connect the oscillator directly to the output and it showed harmonics.

Yes, apparently one can filter those harmonics inside the (main) oscillator and then it looks clean.

I didn't watch the videos fully, but, SPAN didn't show any harmonics, when i deactivated the filter, up to -78 dB. I didn't even bother with the modular routing. All i did was switching off the filter...

Massive_X_Sine_01.jpg

Whole thing puzzles me. I think there's a lot of confusion about the methods he used to prove his point.

There's also a lot of confusion about his use of the aliasing term. This isn't really aliasing, is it? Not sure.

[Stefken]

When you use the init, and insert a third osc, by default osc1 and osc2 are routed into this third osc before going into the filter.

??

[Urs]

There's also a lot of confusion about his use of the aliasing term. This isn't really aliasing, is it? Not sure.

He used the term correctly. His concern was that, if oscillators were not properly bandlimited (which he did not conclude), aliasing would emphasize with audio rate modulation. That's one issue of concern, and one that a user manual could perfectly rule out. He furthermore demonstrates that aliasing does happen with filter distortion, as it does with pretty much every other synth out there. Hence, if there were two sources of aliasing, his concern is that there might be a "compound effect".

He does not draw any conclusions, he rather raises questions. A user manual could clarify.

[chk071]

He does not draw any conclusions, he rather raises questions.

Eh, what? Did you watch a different video than i did? He draws loads of conclusions...

And, AFAIK, harmonics added by saturation or distortion isn't aliasing. You know a lot more about that than i do, and, i'm surprised that you say that he used the term correctly, because, i don't think he did in all cases.

[chk071]

Anyway, too too attention for a person obviously seeking for attention, so, no comment on his stuff anymore from me. He may be a Robin Hood for you, but, in the end, he's just a attention seeker.

[buzz1]

Now if Massive X allowed me to do that with 4 WT oscs and 6 inserts and 2 filters, it'd be the synth of my dreams.

You could replicate that number by using two instances together, like layer mode on a pro 12 for example. No ideal I know but similar.

Yes, but then what you have is essentially just two different instances, which sadly doesn't help with expanding the routing of a single instance. Once you start using stuff like feedback, you'll quickly learn why two separate instances isn't even a workaround really.

Also another item on the wishlist: expanding the noise oscs altogether. I want to control their phase too. In fact, let us just load custom samples. Now that would be purrrrrrrfect. I've had so much fun with the noise oscs actually as it is, but especially the human-like and animal sounds are lacking as there is only essentially like a bird, two grizzly growls and two human voices. That's surprisingly a lot considering how much can be done with those already, but I want moar

I agree. I don't know why there is no way to insert a wavetable osc or a primary filter into one of the inserts as the code for these exists anyway, and for that matter why there are only three slots. If it is a CPU issue then its not like you don't have a choice.
Seems a strange design in some ways.