Massive X - the thread

[chk071]

I will leave this one here

After watching that one, i got an understanding the guy is so full of himself he was expecting a synth tailored to what he wants and needs.

Why do you have to personally attack the guy? He made a video explaining what he liked and didn't like and specifically in comparison to the original Massive. The points he made were factually accurate... how much they matter to an individual is subjective of course.

"Why you should uninstall Massive X". Yeah, right.

[Stefken]

too many areas that had a step down instead of up.

What areas exactly?

Imo, the sound quality/character is definitely not one of them.

But then, the GUI would probably become "Massive-ly" crowded.

That is part of designing a proper Gui. There is tonnes of wasted space on one hand, and a lot of features that are common anno 2019 (and were there in the original) that aren't there on the other hand.
The gui is frankly a joke.

[chk071]

Really, it would be a much better discussion if people refrained from calling the GUI a "joke", telling people that Massive X is crap, and all of that. Why so destructive, instead of arguing constructively?

Feel free to draw a proper GUI with all that functionality, and show it here, BTW. I'll see and judge then whether you are capable of creating a GUI which i don't consider a joke then.

[fisherKing]

I will leave this one here

The direct comparison with the old massive certainly shows too many areas that had a step down instead of up. Being more than 10 years apart fgs.

the new massive sounds so much denser, richer... than the original one. everything else (IMHO) comes second; the sound is what we use our sound-making tools for.

[Elektronisch]

I will leave this one here

After watching that one, i got an understanding the guy is so full of himself he was expecting a synth tailored to what he wants and needs.

Why do you have to personally attack the guy? He made a video explaining what he liked and didn't like and specifically in comparison to the original Massive. The points he made were factually accurate... how much they matter to an individual is subjective of course.

I did not attacked him at all? But his so called "review" did felt very personal from his side like he wanted to have a different thing and now doesnt and nitpicks.

[pdxindy]

I will leave this one here

After watching that one, i got an understanding the guy is so full of himself he was expecting a synth tailored to what he wants and needs.

Why do you have to personally attack the guy? He made a video explaining what he liked and didn't like and specifically in comparison to the original Massive. The points he made were factually accurate... how much they matter to an individual is subjective of course.

I did not attacked him at all?

you said "the guy is so full of himself". That is a personal attack.

[perpetual3]

I find myself liking the sound but disliking almost everything else. When I load it up and look at it I don't get that slight buzz of "woop, time to make sounds!" like I do with other synths that I enjoy. Said it before but it feels like I'm staring at medical equipment in a lab or something.

I never found the original Massive to be inviting either. To me an inviting synth is something like Thor. But in any case MX is a grown up synth for experienced users that’s why it reminds you of a lab. It you want something inviting from NI use Super8 or Monark.

I disagree about MX being a grown up synth for experienced users. It is not smartly realized and does not seem like a clear and coherent vision at this point.

Not having parameter automation does not meet my expectation of a grown up synth.

Not having midi learn also doesn't meet my expectation of a grown up synth.

If I want to see all the targets on say a Macro knob, I have to click on as many as 18 different tabs. There is no visual cue whatsoever that a tab has active targets applied.

MX has a number of glaring deficiencies and a poor workflow.

Totally agree. It’s frustrating.

[perpetual3]

I will leave this one here

The direct comparison with the old massive certainly shows too many areas that had a step down instead of up. Being more than 10 years apart fgs.

the new massive sounds so much denser, richer... than the original one. everything else (IMHO) comes second; the sound is what we use our sound-making tools for.

I dunno man. Melda makes some great instruments and effects but I can’t get into them because of the GUI. Frankly, I think NI GUI’s are pretty weak in general too.

I do agree about the sound. I’m super critical about any plugin that costs more than $50. I was particularly skeptical about MX since I never dug Massive, and besides some Razor and some UL liberators, I’ve been underwhelmed with NI.

But even with all that, and not really understanding everything in MX ( the performer is not really that intuitive to use ), I finally upgraded to K12 from the free version I got with Maschine (v1 btw). After maybe 15 mins with the demo. I simply love the sound and think it’s amazing.

[Functional]

The point is that somehow Massive X has managed to rustle jimmies of clueless people in particular up to the point where they just start whining about it in their YouTube channels in a very, spectacular way. I haven't actually seen it before with synths, that's a new thing. Before I've seen it with games though, many, many times.

It's pretty simple.. these shallow complainers are after eyeballs for their channels. And naive and/or tribal-minded people jump right on this silly and destructive phenomenon.

Well yeah, they get to make clickbaity titles and shit on a product that they thought was super-hyped. Problem with all of this was though that Massive X wasn't really that much hyped product, so they won't really get that much out of it.

Why do you have to personally attack the guy? He made a video explaining what he liked and didn't like and specifically in comparison to the original Massive. The points he made were factually accurate... how much they matter to an individual is subjective of course.

He instructs _other people_ to uninstall it (i.e. "Why you should uninstall Massive X") because he has grievances (out of which many were ridiculous). I'll take happily make personal attacks against anyone who is trying to make YouTube content with such low quality videos.

And yes, I'm well aware that 90% of the videos in YouTube will hit the trashcan if it was up to my standards. And that 90% is a very, very optimistic figure.

[pdxindy]

There are far more pertinent issues. Does your operating system have a browser? Why don’t you use that to create directories and organise things? Some DAWs even allow you to browse using their built in browser.

I tried making directories inside the user directory... MX doesn't see them

No, everything is like hardcoded. I tried to fool the noise sampler to add more samples but no. Any change you make on file level is not reflected.

That is so stupid. I don't mind having to go into the OS to create a directory structure... but blocking that from happening?

[Functional]

I will leave this one here

The direct comparison with the old massive certainly shows too many areas that had a step down instead of up. Being more than 10 years apart fgs.

the new massive sounds so much denser, richer... than the original one. everything else (IMHO) comes second; the sound is what we use our sound-making tools for.

I dunno man. Melda makes some great instruments and effects but I can’t get into them because of the GUI.

Their UI's are actually very customizable but yeah, lowkey agree here. I don't have any products by them aside of MSpectralDynamics because of the GUI. But the GUI of MX is far, far, far better than that. And it's not like melda GUI is really ugly or anything, you can make easily sense of it. But it is pretty brutal in some weird way.

[Elektronisch]

I will leave this one here

After watching that one, i got an understanding the guy is so full of himself he was expecting a synth tailored to what he wants and needs.

Why do you have to personally attack the guy? He made a video explaining what he liked and didn't like and specifically in comparison to the original Massive. The points he made were factually accurate... how much they matter to an individual is subjective of course.

I did not attacked him at all?

you said "the guy is so full of himself". That is a personal attack.

Thats not an insult or attack, thats a definition and he is full of himself, just listen what he says like he knows what other needs how things should be ect.

If you say to someone 'you're full of yourself', you disapprove of them because they appear very pleased with themselves, thinking that they are very clever, special, or important. He's full of himself, sharp and aggressive and sometimes he comes over badly

[Stefken]

I will leave this one here

The direct comparison with the old massive certainly shows too many areas that had a step down instead of up. Being more than 10 years apart fgs.

the new massive sounds so much denser, richer... than the original one. everything else (IMHO) comes second; the sound is what we use our sound-making tools for.

Yes, round in circles we go.
I'm also active in graphic design, UX design, photography and painting, so apparently I'm more graphically oriented than you. And that's just fine. People have different priorities.
I do like the sound, and I think there is a pretty large consensus that Massive X sounds good. There is IMO also a large number of people who have issues with the UI. And with my experience, I'd say that's justified.

But, if the UI doesn't 't interest or bother you, all the better...

[sinemotor]

What do you mean by "polyphonic"? Asking because it can kind of mean two things: either you want to make chord sequences (or otherwise polyphonic sequences) with it or you mean polyphonic kind of like how the LFO's are? The latter should be doable so I'm not sure why they didn't choose to make it poly but the former, a lot would have to change to make that happen, they might as well make some sort of "master performer" in a separate form for something like that

I was thinking of using the Performer as a complex polyphonic LFO (since you can draw your own shapes) and with a Free Rate option as well.

Right now every time you play a chord it triggers the Performer for the whole chord. What I'd like is an individual modulation for each note, just like how it is in OG Massive actually. It would be more organic that way and you would have slightly different timings for each note.


What do you mean by "chord sequence" ?

[perpetual3]

I will leave this one here

The direct comparison with the old massive certainly shows too many areas that had a step down instead of up. Being more than 10 years apart fgs.

the new massive sounds so much denser, richer... than the original one. everything else (IMHO) comes second; the sound is what we use our sound-making tools for.

I dunno man. Melda makes some great instruments and effects but I can’t get into them because of the GUI.

Their UI's are actually very customizable but yeah, lowkey agree here. I don't have any products by them aside of MSpectralDynamics because of the GUI. But the GUI of MX is far, far, far better than that. And it's not like melda GUI is really ugly or anything, you can make easily sense of it. But it is pretty brutal in some weird way.

I got MSpectralDelay.

And I agree - MX is far better.