Massive X - the thread

[DJ Warmonger]

people seem incredulous that half a year after release MM MK3 doesn't even have basic DAW control

This includes me. I'd love to try Maschine MK3, but it doesn't have enough DAW integration to actually make it useful part of my studio.

As far as I've learned project development principles, it's now typical that developers try to get major features out quickly and pospone less important features for later - this includes integration with 3rd party DAWs.

On the other hand, over last months NI kept on releasing a new product almost every week (apart from Summer of Sound), so they are definitely on a track.

[chrispking]

Massive X update 1.0.1 just announced over at NI.
All current bugs will be fixed. New ones promised.
to be released 27/02(+5)/2024

[Stefken]

now, if you could just get all the whiners and ranters to go with you

you should leave then... you seem incapable of making a post that doesn't have overt or subtle attacks against others... which makes you one of the most negative posters in the thread.

you need to develop a sense of humor. and there's never an excuse for whining; discussion is so much more productive.

And yet your are constantly whining about the whining.
If you are giving people a hard time about it,
than whining about whining is meta-level man. Seriously....

[Symetry]

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... x/manuals/ manuals incoming

[recursive one]

Macros can either be used to control a knob 1 to 1, or as any modulation source where it works as an offset then.

Thanks for the explanation I figured this out finally but it wasn't quite obvious at first.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... x/manuals/ manuals incoming

Good that they finally started making the manuals, Massive X doesn't seem to be a synth which can be easily learned by applying the knowledge from other synths, but I feel it's really worth learning all the ins and outs of it. It will probably be the first synth where I'll actually read the whole manual, hope it won't take too long at NI to complete it.

[fisherKing]

now, if you could just get all the whiners and ranters to go with you

you should leave then... you seem incapable of making a post that doesn't have overt or subtle attacks against others... which makes you one of the most negative posters in the thread.

you need to develop a sense of humor. and there's never an excuse for whining; discussion is so much more productive.

and I'll repeat... you are incapable of making a post that isn't attacking people or telling them what to do with your oh so smug superior attitude..

honestly, i just get frustrated when people rant, whine, or state their opinions as fact. but i admit it! my own behavior is not perfect, so will try to do better, the same way i hope others do better.

when this forum is on point, it's a great place to be (and it is funny a lot, too, which has it's own value).

now back to the MX discussion.

what's interesting for me is, MX crashed logic X the first 3 times i used it, but never since. it's as if it needed a couple of reboots to 'lock it in place'. at any rate, it's been stable ever since

have used it a lot in a current project. i like what i can do with it, and it's (decidedly) unique character.

[pdxindy]

Have to say, i’ve been really enjoying MX so far. Routing is fairly intuitive and i’m honestly finding it hard to make a BAD sound with. The raw wavetables on hand are all solid and the effects are great.

I'm also finding it just sounds good with little effort. The sound engine is impressive... especially considering it does not crush my CPU

[pdxindy]

Let’s all just choose to get along, it’s not that hard.

I do love the sound of MX, period, and it’s already fun to use, and obviously frustrating, too.

That’s the nice thing about software, though; it can be improved. Remember this is a 1.0 release. Much more to come.

Remember this is a 0.1 release. Much much much much much
much much much much more to come.

More like a 0.6 release... but the thing is, we have no idea what changes will come.

The things I find disappointing about MX may never be changed. For example, I think it is unlikely to get numeric values and less likely for parameter automation. Those appear to be design choices.

I would assume midi learn will show up at some point, but who knows when. It would not surprise me if a year from now it is still not there and of course the possibility is there it never will be.

It is also possible it will never have a browser that I like. NI appears to want to encourage people into their broader system. Maybe it will depend on NI hardware. I am not confident that my interests and NI's plan work together. I am unlikely to ever buy NI hardware and have no interest to use their wrapper software to use their plugins.

So I am treating MX as this is what it is and not waiting or wishing for some future improvements that may or may not arrive.

[perpetual3]

Let’s all just choose to get along, it’s not that hard.

I do love the sound of MX, period, and it’s already fun to use, and obviously frustrating, too.

That’s the nice thing about software, though; it can be improved. Remember this is a 1.0 release. Much more to come.

Remember this is a 0.1 release. Much much much much much
much much much much more to come.

More like a 0.6 release... but the thing is, we have no idea what changes will come.

The things I find disappointing about MX may never be changed. For example, I think it is unlikely to get numeric values and less likely for parameter automation. Those appear to be design choices.

I would assume midi learn will show up at some point, but who knows when. It would not surprise me if a year from now it is still not there and of course the possibility is there it never will be.

It is also possible it will never have a browser that I like. NI appears to want to encourage people into their broader system. Maybe it will depend on NI hardware. I am not confident that my interests and NI's plan work together. I am unlikely to ever buy NI hardware and have no interest to use their wrapper software to use their plugins.

So I am treating MX as this is what it is and not waiting or wishing for some future improvements that may or may not arrive.

Me too, and I think that’s the best approach. Act as if it’s a final, finished product. That’s how I am using it.

[fisherKing]

makes sense, to accept it as it is, and use it; then, when (& if) improvements come, that will be something to revel in.

[fisherKing]

now, if you could just get all the whiners and ranters to go with you

you should leave then... you seem incapable of making a post that doesn't have overt or subtle attacks against others... which makes you one of the most negative posters in the thread.

you need to develop a sense of humor. and there's never an excuse for whining; discussion is so much more productive.

And yet your are constantly whining about the whining.
If you are giving people a hard time about it,
than whining about whining is meta-level man. Seriously....

please advise; how to deal with whiners? not point out the whining? it's a trick post, to suggest that complaining about all the whining (which takes up so much space on an otherwise informative and sometimes very funny thread), is whining. if you yell at me, and i yell at you for it, does that make me just as bad at you?

suggest a better reaction, and i'm there...

[perpetual3]

now, if you could just get all the whiners and ranters to go with you

you should leave then... you seem incapable of making a post that doesn't have overt or subtle attacks against others... which makes you one of the most negative posters in the thread.

you need to develop a sense of humor. and there's never an excuse for whining; discussion is so much more productive.

And yet your are constantly whining about the whining.
If you are giving people a hard time about it,
than whining about whining is meta-level man. Seriously....

please advise; how to deal with whiners? not point out the whining? it's a trick post, to suggest that complaining about all the whining (which takes up so much space on an otherwise informative and sometimes very funny thread), is whining. if you yell at me, and i yell at you for it, does that make me just as bad at you?

suggest a better reaction, and i'm there...

Ignore them. Cut off the their contributions to the discourse. Feed those who do have something constructive and interesting to add to the convo. Don’t feed the troll as they say.

Or, you can go the Socratic way, and engage them such that they either are forced to be constructive, or expose their hypocrisy and/or poor reasoning.

The second approach sounds noble, and can transform a troll into a productive contributor but takes time and energy, and intelligent and crafty people will often divert the substance of the convo to a semantic and logical critique in order to make you seem stupid, which is really their intention all along (it’s a power trip).

[chk071]

Ignore mode or not... i think it's safe to say that i haven't seen anything like the whining about this synth yet. On KVR, or elsewhere. It's like the exaggeration of the exaggeration of whining. But then, i think it's nothing else than what's going on out there, maybe in smaller scale. Wealthy societies produce this kind of spoiled brat behavior. No way around it.

IMO, most people who cry over this synth on a daily base here should consider another hobby, if it's that unsatisfying that they need to complain and rant all day long.

[fisherKing]

Ignore mode or not... i think it's safe to say that i haven't seen anything like the whining about this synth yet. On KVR, or elsewhere. It's like the exaggeration of the exaggeration of whining. But then, i think it's nothing else than what's going on out there, maybe in smaller scale. Wealthy societies produce this kind of spoiled brat behavior. No way around it.

IMO, most people who cry over this synth on a daily base here should consider another hobby, if it's that unsatisfying that they need to complain and rant all day long.

what i've never understood is, if the plugin is not for you, why persist on the plugin discussion, repeatedly whining about what's wrong with it? if it's not for you, move on to a thread about a synth you like, so you can talk about your likes/concerns/questions about something that is relevant to you.

anyway, will focus on the discussion, and, as perpetual3 suggests, ignore the whiners & ranters.

[chk071]

anyway, will focus on the discussion, and, as perpetual3 suggests, ignore the whiners & ranters.

Sometimes it's hard to do so, when there's pages and pages and pages of rants and complaints. It's a bit excessive, to say the least. Like you say, why go on complaining about something, and focusing on something negative, destructive, than do better with your time? Makes no sense to me. On the other hand, it definitely makes sense when you're so depressed that nothing's really fun anymore. But, that's a internal issue, not something you can externally point your finger at. About time to realize that.