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Spencer Maddox · Post by **Spencer Maddox** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:07 am

The elitism of FL haters is kinda delicious tho.
The same program used by Avicii (RIP) Garrix, Alan Walker, Madeon, Porter Robinson, Afrojack, Seven Lions, etc etc Yadda yadda.
But this random obscure guy on an audio board knows that it’s actually crummy and he’s the enlightened one...

I mean look yea it’s not for recording audio or a band. Never tried to be.
But it’s a really really good program.
I feel like some of the people who dislike it haven’t even opened it before.

Also before somone yells bias I’m a majority ableton user, I like FL a lot but I don’t have a reason to be biased towards it. Just the hate is so old by now.
People make good music with it, end of story?

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:10 am

Spencer Maddox wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:07 am The elitism of FL haters is kinda delicious tho.

It's tribalism and prejudice. Human characteristics we see everywhere unfortunately. All DAW software these days is awesome. I have no idea why people spend so much time bashing the stuff they don't use.

We are always amazed at what our customers produce in FL Studio.

While some of you may not like these genres, it was made in FL Studio, listen to it and think technically about what is going on to make these tracks. Think about the difference between those who complain about their tools, and those who get on and use them to make something.

Madeon

Avicii

Porter Robinson

Alan Walker

Martin Garrix

Its not FL Studio holding anyone back (or any DAW)

reggie1979 · Post by **reggie1979** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:34 am

But can I say, out of all the DAW's I've used, it's only one that I just can't wrap my head around. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking it, just saying. It's unreasonable to expect everyone to like it. However, I also cannot understand the vitriol over it.

I think I've noticed more than one "update" with new stuff or free stuff getting hammered on the net. Then again, people watch shows like "wife swap"

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:54 am

I never heard anyone that like every DAW out there. Everyone have their own favorites. I often see people giving their opinions as if they were facts, but opinons are nothing more than just opinions.

I have Bitwig but I never use it. I stopped updating already at v1.3. I simply could not wrap my head around it, and it's the same with Ableton Live. I have Cubase and Studio One which I find fairly easy to work with. I also have Reason but I mostly use it inside FL Studio with rewire. They are all great DAW's in their own way and that include Bitwig and Ableton. Just because I didn't take to Bitwig and Ableton doesn't make them any less good. I can say so because I heard people make great tracks with those DAWs.

My main DAW is FL Studio and I got in at version 11. I saw a youtube clip with Avicii using FL Studio and it got me interested. FL Studio is not perfect and I can say exactly the same about the other DAWs I use. All of them lack something or have features that should be improved. I still find my ways to do what I need to do and if my track sucks I certainly don't blame the DAW, or the plugins I use.

kvotchin · Post by **kvotchin** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:19 am

I like and use FL Studio and Reaper, personally. Have tried just about all others, where a demo option existed. And those are the two I settled on.

It’s down to the workflow and features, of course, but also the aesthetics. And some amount of just not pissing me off nearly as much as others. Seriously, some DAWs just make me irritated, almost immediately.

Just goes to show how subjective it all is, hey. I can’t even stand to look at Live’s interface for long, and yet, that’s one of the most popular of all. I’m not wrong, and neither are the people who like and/or use it.

Spencer Maddox · Post by **Spencer Maddox** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:27 am

kvotchin wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:19 am I like and use FL Studio and Reaper, personally. Have tried just about all others, where a demo option existed. And those are the two I settled on.

It’s down to the workflow and features, of course, but also the aesthetics. And some amount of just not pissing me off nearly as much as others. Seriously, some DAWs just make me irritated, almost immediately.

Just goes to show how subjective it all is, hey. I can’t even stand to look at Live’s interface for long, and yet, that’s one of the most popular of all. I’m not wrong, and neither are the people who like and/or use it.

Exactly, I LOVE Ableton's UI, But thats me. Like you said I'm not wrong and neither are you. We just work different ways and have different subjective opinions on how we like our DAWs organized and I respect your Difference...

It seems KVR looses this point when it comes to "DAW wars"

Personal Opinions.

...Although for what its worth FL is one of the best in UI too. Gosh, I downloaded 20.5 on my Macbook and Ohmigoodness it looks crisp and stunning

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:47 am

v1o wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:28 pm Flex is just a rompler style synth to sell sound packs.

Why do you say "Just"? Unless we make money, we can't pay developers and you don't get any software

On that topic, our next FLEX pack will be free - Synthwave (The Future Past) x 130 presets. Coming soon...

https://soundcloud.com/fl-studio/flex-s ... er/s-LXCcB

Regards Scott

anomandaris1 · Post by **anomandaris1** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:34 am

There is only one crucial feature I have ever really needed that was not in FL - creating custom note names for the piano editor and saving them as templates. It's useful for drum tracks, sample library keyswitches and microtonal midi. A quick google search reveals that it was requested over the years, see IL forums for such topics. I hope we can see this at some point.
The only DAWs that can do it this are Reaper and Live (by creating midi effects chain).

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:44 am

There's one big thing that matters to me about DAW developers, and it's how they are able to accept criticism of the product they have or even that of the company. With companies like Presonus, you don't see developers posting and trying to defend any criticism they get. They listen, embrace it, and implement what needs to be done, and portray themselves as a professional company. You don't see them getting into silly arguments on public forums, and you don't see them making threads on KVR or Gearslutz either. Image Line, has been around for some 20 years, yet all I ever feel and see from them is, just a lack of self-confidence in their product and what people say about it...and are so quick to try and defend it as if there is something to defend.. and get embroiled in meaningless arguments about something irrelevant rather than the whole point of the topic as per earlier in this thread....It's like, I've just gone back 30 years to highschool all over again. It doesn't fill me with confidence about a product or to see a company or representative of a product do this...it just rings alarm bells..to what I might be thinking.

I get a lot of crap posted on this forum from the things I share with people, things I've spent a lot of time to design and build and about me personally....and you don't see me throwing a tantrum or trying to defend it. These individuals don't matter to me, it's about filtering out those who do matter and who are able to provide the information I want in the way I want it, because it's from that I can create better things, and less time wasting my own time responding, less time trying to defend it or even getting annoyed... I just channel that into improving what I do really, and always have done.

On topic however, I like the look of the synth... might possibly consider buying it if it was a separate stand alone VST that I can use in my primary DAW which funny enough isn't FL Studio.

Distorted Horizon · Post by **Distorted Horizon** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:16 am

I like it when devs go public. Though it's difficult task to think like an engineer and do public relations, like some have given us an example

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:31 am

I rather see all developers here in KVR than me having to join every forum of every developer. Like many people I bought too many licenses from a big bunch of different developers. Some doesn't even have a forum. It's just support email only. I would encourage any developer to join KVR because this is the only forum I visit on a daily basis.

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:48 am

THE INTRANCER wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:44 am...They listen, embrace it, and implement what needs to be done, and portray themselves as a professional company. ...

That sounds a lot like standard public relations customer platitudes to me.

"Thank you, we value your input, and will take it on-board. Your request has been sent to the development team".

Are you saying we are not taking customer input on-board and improving FL Studio?

THE INTRANCER wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:44 am Image Line, has been around for some 20 years, yet all I ever feel and see from them is, just a lack of self-confidence in their product and what people say about it...

I would not be here if I didn't have confidence in our product. You don't think it shows confidence, to face up to trash talk in a hostile forum?

The main reason you don't see it, is because its invariably a no-win situation. There is nothing you can do to come out unscathed from an open discussion with the anonymous masses.

Regards Scott

pc2000 · Post by **pc2000** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:58 am

robotmonkey wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:05 pm
gentleclockdivider wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:09 pm Fl studio is still lacking when it comes to internal midi routing , sure you can control a plugin by a midi plugin by selecting the input port , but not the channel .
Didn't this used to be possible in the past ?
Let's say loomer architect (powerhouse of a midi modular framework ) , I can control 16 independent instruments all from 1 architectvst instance and record/print the midi output on every channel .
In fl studio I only have the option to select the input port of the destination plugin , not the channel
This is true - midi also sucks in FL Studio in many ways. What also infuriates me to no end is that FL Studio does not pass midi cc messages through to plugins by default. This means that things like Pitch Bend and mod wheel control does not work automatically in plugins. That's actually another topic Gol did not understand at all why it's annoying.

Yes... this is highly annoying for some years now. This kinda reminds of the mind state that cakewalk had about implementing overdub recording into a single midi clip. The fact that the developers saw no value in the feature ( as an option) because they apparently didn't use it themselves, and the fact that a number of the old timers in the forum were stuck on stacked clips- it was never implemented. Request from many users were constantly ignored. It never bothered them that they were literally the only daw missing an industry standard feature- but claimed to be an industry standard DAW.

I see a lot of FL users solely painting notes in the piano role. A lot of users don't seem to own a keyboard controller. Maybe this is the reason Image-line sees no issue with forcing users of keyboards to do extra work to do what other daws do automatically?

On a different note... the lifetime free updates is mind blowing. I don't know how they make money? Steinberg by contrast constantly charges for point releases between major releases. Image-line is extremely generous.

keel · Post by **keel** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:10 am

Flex is nice and welcome addition. FL is good and lifetime free updates are pure gold, but FL is missing PDC for automation clips and time warping on playlist. These are the pretty much only features that are missing. Especially time warping. Once they add warping in playlist, I will come back to FL for sure

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:11 am

keel wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:10 am Flex is nice and welcome addition. FL is good and lifetime free updates are pure gold, but FL is missing PDC for automation clips and time warping on playlist. These are the pretty much only features that are missing. Especially time warping. Once they add warping in playlist, I will come back to FL for sure

We hope to welcome you back soon then

FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX