Here is the 18 instrument / section, 50 articulation VSCO2 Orchestra in a single Rompler.
http://bcvsts.blogspot.com/2016/11/the- ... estra.html
Best full orchestra as first library?
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- KVRian
- 1367 posts since 30 Jul, 2013
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- KVRAF
- 2991 posts since 13 Apr, 2008 from Charleston, SC
I would snag the Hollywood series (that is 4). Stormdrum 3, RA, and Silk make 7 total. This will give you epic cinematic goodness with some world sounds thrown in.
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- KVRian
- 726 posts since 17 Feb, 2015
I've been trying to justify getting Albion One for 345e, but then, after I figured VSL's dongle-system out, I noticed the price for the VSL Special Edition Bundle (SE1 & SE1+), goes for around and under 575e.
I find it hard to resist the attractive and beefy sound of Albion and Air Lyndhurst, but... I try to think rationally and think about the time after Albion. Because after Albion, I still need to get more articulations, solo instruments... the VSL Bundle has all that. At least on the paper.
The list of articulations is much more comprehensive than Albion, and it includes not only ensembles, but solo instruments, individual sections, most orchestral instruments... vs... Albion's amazing sounding ensembles and... hybrid sound design stuff I don't need.
I know what has been said about VSL (dry, massage-needing samples, etc.), including the SE (cutdown sample pool, velocity layers, etc.) but the audio demos are amazing and lively. I don't really hear the old age of the library, but rather the golden age-sound of orchestra, which I care for more than the modern sound.
I find it hard to resist the attractive and beefy sound of Albion and Air Lyndhurst, but... I try to think rationally and think about the time after Albion. Because after Albion, I still need to get more articulations, solo instruments... the VSL Bundle has all that. At least on the paper.
The list of articulations is much more comprehensive than Albion, and it includes not only ensembles, but solo instruments, individual sections, most orchestral instruments... vs... Albion's amazing sounding ensembles and... hybrid sound design stuff I don't need.
I know what has been said about VSL (dry, massage-needing samples, etc.), including the SE (cutdown sample pool, velocity layers, etc.) but the audio demos are amazing and lively. I don't really hear the old age of the library, but rather the golden age-sound of orchestra, which I care for more than the modern sound.
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- KVRAF
- 2211 posts since 20 Sep, 2013 from Poland
Nope, wrong. Bought Kontakt today, ain't downloading no 43 GB. Maybe someday when I get a new computer with more diskspace.Foxedge wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:53 amYeah because the factory content is dated today. That's what I am talking about. But when you would buy Kontakt 6, with new insane 2016 stuff that sounds top notch and when Kontakt regain its reputation of native instruments ultimative sampler-flagship that nothing else can beat, then you would buy it also for the factory content and then it would be actually worth the money.DSmolken wrote: I haven't bought Kontakt, but if I do it will certainly not be for the factory content.
Especially because it would probably contain very usable samples of accordion, brushed drums, jazz horns or similar and hundreds of other instruments.
Sure, digging up posts to tell somebody who possibly hasn't posted here in years "you were wrong" is petty, but it is fun. And I was wrong, too. In the meantime got some jazz horns for Player, made my own brushed drums that actually work, and haven't really needed an accordion. I did end up getting Kontakt 6, and it turned out to just be for the license, so I can make Kontakt versions of Karoryfer Samples instruments.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Right now I would pretty confidently point to VSL Smart Orchestra for a start; it sounds fantastic and is pretty easy to work with and a lot is right there on the surface to go with and get started.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
I typically only have a couple of things installed from KFL: World (which is quite good for the most part for the size; in general as good as EWQL RA IMO, a lot of it A/B I couldn't tell apart) and Choir.
Recently I opened up 160GB using the BFDLAC Tool so I downloaded it, deleting Synths, Urban Beats, and Vintage. I'm not likely to use Band but it's not really bad.
Historically, I have found in addition to some of the World, the solo Viola in the VSL demo is a great patch, very expressive, great vibrato.
a little taste at 45 seconds
the two pianos are the August Foerster in KFL as well. Not the most striking but serviceable villains.
I don't think there is much of a Kontakt 6 Factory Library difference. I didn't try the melodeon, my memory does not serve well if I saw it before. I think I'll look at it today. I bet it sounds exactly like the one in RA. I couldn't prove the others I've used aren't RA tbh.
Recently I opened up 160GB using the BFDLAC Tool so I downloaded it, deleting Synths, Urban Beats, and Vintage. I'm not likely to use Band but it's not really bad.
Historically, I have found in addition to some of the World, the solo Viola in the VSL demo is a great patch, very expressive, great vibrato.
a little taste at 45 seconds
the two pianos are the August Foerster in KFL as well. Not the most striking but serviceable villains.
I don't think there is much of a Kontakt 6 Factory Library difference. I didn't try the melodeon, my memory does not serve well if I saw it before. I think I'll look at it today. I bet it sounds exactly like the one in RA. I couldn't prove the others I've used aren't RA tbh.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
oops, I already said that about the solo viola. It surprised me, it acts pretty legato, you can hear in that one lick.
The biggest problem with say the VSL SE is the lack of dynamic + vibrato patches, you're stuck with a really limited effect there. I'm not sure if those would give you the FX/LFO humanize presets in VI Pro, I'd imagine probably no.
Smart Orchestra is a Synchron Player library, albeit it's not under that tab on the site. So you can bring as much of that room in as you like via the mixer in it, a very powerful mixer, so much so you don't need another mixer such as in the DAW (well in VE Pro you have full automation very handily). The close mics are just dry, all the way to a seriously ambient mix.
The biggest problem with say the VSL SE is the lack of dynamic + vibrato patches, you're stuck with a really limited effect there. I'm not sure if those would give you the FX/LFO humanize presets in VI Pro, I'd imagine probably no.
Smart Orchestra is a Synchron Player library, albeit it's not under that tab on the site. So you can bring as much of that room in as you like via the mixer in it, a very powerful mixer, so much so you don't need another mixer such as in the DAW (well in VE Pro you have full automation very handily). The close mics are just dry, all the way to a seriously ambient mix.
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- KVRian
- 528 posts since 10 Nov, 2018
Thanks for the suggestion. What other all-in-one libraries would you suggest for starters who are getting into orchestral composition?jancivil wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:44 pm Right now I would pretty confidently point to VSL Smart Orchestra for a start; it sounds fantastic and is pretty easy to work with and a lot is right there on the surface to go with and get started.
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- KVRAF
- 3731 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy
It's a bit of a toss up depending on many variables,but if you could fit the whole orchestra into your studio, you'd be sure to win !
The Tonehalle Orchestra is very good,but you wouldn't go wrong by working with any of the usual suspects...
The BPO,the NYP or the LSO should be at the top of that list I reckon
The Tonehalle Orchestra is very good,but you wouldn't go wrong by working with any of the usual suspects...
The BPO,the NYP or the LSO should be at the top of that list I reckon
No auto tune...
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- KVRAF
- 9578 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
I really like Amadeus from SonicScores, but I have no comparison...
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- KVRian
- 528 posts since 10 Nov, 2018
Thanks Tj! I'm currently using the free Virtual Playing Orchestra to learn orchestration, will try and buy something commercial during Black Friday sale.Tj Shredder wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:25 am I really like Amadeus from SonicScores, but I have no comparison...
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- KVRAF
- 5272 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
Ewqlso, or one of the stripped back VSL packages. They both have amazing sounds, and a few drawbacks (ewql has an odd way of prioritizing which instruments need which articulations, and also is bad with their naming of patches, on top of the fact that th “play” engine is still pretty crap, then with the VSL stuff you’ll have to spend time with mixing, Ewing, reverberating and panning to get things sounding like they are in a nice space together), but I think these would probably get you moving pretty nicely.
The albinos and similar products focus on ensembles and ways to lay down an idea without having to have tons and tons of tracks going, this will sacrifice lots of flexibility though.
If you don’t need very deeply sampled instruments and you are looking purely for a “writing tool” than GPO is a legit option, and cheap too.
The albinos and similar products focus on ensembles and ways to lay down an idea without having to have tons and tons of tracks going, this will sacrifice lots of flexibility though.
If you don’t need very deeply sampled instruments and you are looking purely for a “writing tool” than GPO is a legit option, and cheap too.
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