StiX : MultiSynthesis Drum Machine/Next gen XoX sequencer (FR/ideas cycle)

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Lotuzia
KVRAF
10060 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris

Post Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:28 am

Local Man wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:39 pm
The velocity controls in Stix work in a strange way and I wonder if that is by design or if it is an oversight or even a bug unique to my system.
The Vel- controls on the easy synthesis page (vel-vca, vel-vcf, etc...) only work correctly for sequenced notes but not for notes triggered by a midi controller.
So when you draw a pattern in the sequencer and adjust the velocity on the "single" page, the velocity controls work just fine. Vel-vcf for example opens and closes the filter according to the velocity that is programed and the amount the vel-vcf knob is turned.
But when you play a note with the midi keyboard, the vel-vcf (and all other vel- controls) only act as an offset. It doesn't matter what velocity you hit the key with the filter amount stays the same. When you turn the vel-vcf, knob it will open or close the filter relative to the settings in the advanced page, but the parameter remains static regardless of what velocity you play with (again it simply acts as an offset to the settings in the advanced page).

Anyway, I am just wondering if anyone else has observed this behavior.
I'm wondering if I should report this as a bug or a feature request.
Velocity/Vca i.e volume should have been corrected in one of the last versions. Here it works : Hits with low velocity on say midi keyboard to trigger drum sounds results in low volume sounds, and increasing velocity makes louder sounds. Could you please check if it works on your system ?

I'll test vel/vcf further. I don't think this one has been adressed yet (it's on the list though)
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Local Man
KVRian
532 posts since 31 May, 2017

Re: StiX : MultiSynthesis Drum Machine/Next gen XoX sequencer (FR/ideas cycle)

Post Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:00 pm

Lotuzia wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:28 am
Local Man wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:39 pm
The velocity controls in Stix work in a strange way and I wonder if that is by design or if it is an oversight or even a bug unique to my system.
The Vel- controls on the easy synthesis page (vel-vca, vel-vcf, etc...) only work correctly for sequenced notes but not for notes triggered by a midi controller.
So when you draw a pattern in the sequencer and adjust the velocity on the "single" page, the velocity controls work just fine. Vel-vcf for example opens and closes the filter according to the velocity that is programed and the amount the vel-vcf knob is turned.
But when you play a note with the midi keyboard, the vel-vcf (and all other vel- controls) only act as an offset. It doesn't matter what velocity you hit the key with the filter amount stays the same. When you turn the vel-vcf, knob it will open or close the filter relative to the settings in the advanced page, but the parameter remains static regardless of what velocity you play with (again it simply acts as an offset to the settings in the advanced page).

Anyway, I am just wondering if anyone else has observed this behavior.
I'm wondering if I should report this as a bug or a feature request.
Velocity/Vca i.e volume should have been corrected in one of the last versions. Here it works : Hits with low velocity on say midi keyboard to trigger drum sounds results in low volume sounds, and increasing velocity makes louder sounds. Could you please check if it works on your system ?

I'll test vel/vcf further. I don't think this one has been adressed yet (it's on the list though)
Hello. Yes, in general the VCA is controlled by velocity as you say but the Vel-VCA control itself doesn't work. That is, the volume of the drum modules fully respond to velocity regardless of how the Vel-VCA knob is set (ie you can't not have velocity control the VCA by turning the knob down if you want to).
So actually that knob doesn't work even more than the others, because even though the other knobs act as an offset to whatever parameter they are supposed to map to velocity, the Vel-VCA does nothing at all.

Again that is for notes triggered from a midi keyboard or drum pad. For the internal sequencer everything works as expected.

It would be very nice to have these controls work as they are supposed to. Especially velocity to filter and velocity to release are powerful controls for creating expressive drum sounds that highly playable.
I hope they are fixed in a future release.

Local Man
KVRian
532 posts since 31 May, 2017

Re: StiX : MultiSynthesis Drum Machine/Next gen XoX sequencer (FR/ideas cycle)

Post Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:39 pm

Lotuzia wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:44 am
Local Man wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:06 am
Oh and a somewhat related question: are there any plans for NKS support in the near future?
That could be one workaround for some controls at least. I guess I'll manually assign some midi ccs to see what happens.
Yes NKS is planned, and I already have a few -very draft- approaches for that on an Excel sheet. Well, controlling StiX via Maschine or a standard NI Keyboard is very different. Maschine can access different pages much more easily that the NI standard keyboards, so I think I'll base the approach on Maschine as a controller, wich seems to make more sense. But even there, there are many possibilities for the hierachy and layout of the pages. So I think I'll propose different schemas here, to see what people prefer and think is more appropriate. Btw All ideas/proposals are welcomed of course about how to implement NKS in StiX.
Hello Lotuzia.
Regarding NKS, I created my own NKS mapping as a user preset and I thought I'd share it with you to maybe help with some ideas.
This is just my particular workflow but I do take great care to make sure that everything is logical, coherent and conducive to a smooth workflow. And with something as deep as Stix that is no easy task. Anyway, I hope it is of some use to you.

Stix - Init.nksf.zip
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Lotuzia
KVRAF
10060 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris

Re: StiX : MultiSynthesis Drum Machine/Next gen XoX sequencer (FR/ideas cycle)

Post Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:24 am

Local Man wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:39 pm
Lotuzia wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:44 am
Local Man wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:06 am
Oh and a somewhat related question: are there any plans for NKS support in the near future?
That could be one workaround for some controls at least. I guess I'll manually assign some midi ccs to see what happens.
Yes NKS is planned, and I already have a few -very draft- approaches for that on an Excel sheet. Well, controlling StiX via Maschine or a standard NI Keyboard is very different. Maschine can access different pages much more easily that the NI standard keyboards, so I think I'll base the approach on Maschine as a controller, wich seems to make more sense. But even there, there are many possibilities for the hierachy and layout of the pages. So I think I'll propose different schemas here, to see what people prefer and think is more appropriate. Btw All ideas/proposals are welcomed of course about how to implement NKS in StiX.
Hello Lotuzia.
Regarding NKS, I created my own NKS mapping as a user preset and I thought I'd share it with you to maybe help with some ideas.
This is just my particular workflow but I do take great care to make sure that everything is logical, coherent and conducive to a smooth workflow. And with something as deep as Stix that is no easy task. Anyway, I hope it is of some use to you.


Stix - Init.nksf.zip
Thanks a lot for sharing it Local Man. I'll take a look at it asap (holydays beeing closer every day here)

There are indeed a lot of possible approaches.
Crossroads/Priorities I can see for the hierarchy of the pages atm are :

1/ Handling mix VS Synthesis first : What is more important for users : Mixer settings/effect send etc to balance a mix properly or synthesis to edit/change the sounds (a good balance could be to adress vca settings via the ez synthesis page)
2/ If mixer etc is first, then EZ synthesis should probably be next
3/ And finally advanced synthesis pages (but are these really needed, due to the BIG number of pages it requires for each of the 10 sounds ?) Or only a subset (like at least specify sample in the 3rd oscillator etc) that doesn't overlap too much the EZ synthesis page.

Overall : how much pages total number are required so that it doesn't become an indigestible gas factory ? Should it be extensive/exhaustive, or just a -as clever as possible- subset ?

It's hard to decide, and users feedback is definitely appreciated for all these subjects.
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Local Man
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Re: StiX : MultiSynthesis Drum Machine/Next gen XoX sequencer (FR/ideas cycle)

Post Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:31 am

Lotuzia wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:24 am
Overall : how much pages total number are required so that it doesn't become an indigestible gas factory ? Should it be extensive/exhaustive, or just a -as clever as possible- subset ?
For me I like to take the all inclusive route (as much as is possible).
One reason this is a no brainer for me is that on the Komplete Kontrol keyboards the pages don't cycle or loop through. So when get to the end, you can't just push page right and be at the beginning again. No matter what you have to go backwards by pushing page left. This means that there isn't much benefit of having fewer pages as far as I'm concerned. If you just prioritize your pages so that it goes from most to least frequently used then having 16 pages and choosing to only use the first 4 is really not much different than only having 4 (you don't have to venture out into the woods so to speak).

Typically I like to map all the knobs and none of the buttons or toggles. Buttons and toggles are easy enough to use a mouse with and they are the kind of thing that you set and typically don't fiddle with too much after. Knobs are where you really want fine control (either for sound design or live applications).

For Stix I put a few master controls up front and then I really focused on the synthesis parameters since that aspect (along with the sequencer) is what Stix excels at.
Then I went fx, macros, and then mixer.
So it's sound design > mixing/live control.
I might have liked the mixer a bit more upfront but it just takes up to much real estate (20 knobs) so I decided to put it at the end where it's still easy enough to access.

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