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BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:21 am

SLiC wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:43 pmWhy would anyone buy an instrument based on what ‘other people’ think of the sound when there is a full demo that lets you hear and try before you buy?

Because some of us need to get things done and can't spend 6 months fully evaluating each piece of software we may want to use. I spent a month or so with the free 8-track version of Bitwig that came with my Roli Seaboard, which AFAIK is the only demo version available and is anything but a "full" version, thought it could replace Orion for us and do all the MPE stuff I wanted, so I decided to buy it so I could more fully explore it in the context of a full song/arrangement. It was only then that the little cracks started to appear, especially as I tried to replace some of Orion's native generators and effects with stuff from Bitwig. If that had been it's only shortcoming I could have worked around it with VSTi but the harder I pushed it, the less I liked working with it.

Noumena · Post by **Noumena** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:25 am

tooneba wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:55 pm Yeah most people can't plagiarize other product. Or shouldn't.

I mean, what does that even mean? The arranger view was introduced by Opcode (I think?) in like 1986. CubaseVST had a mixer view in 1998(?), Reaktor/Generator and MaxMSP had visual patchers in 1999 and 198?, respectively, do you mean because there is a clip view? or a device tray at the bottom of the screen? Did you know that some of the developers that developed Ableton are working at Bitwig?

Maybe we should not use VSTs that control cutoff frequencies with knobs? Or that have LPFs at all (unless they are Moogs)

Get real. Innovation in 2019 is expressivity, it is workflow, it is making the things that were hard to do but compelling, quicker and easier to do, it is taking what we're learning from modular in making it work for less than $4000 and with polyphony.

Noumena · Post by **Noumena** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:30 am

I do really wish I could use the Lectric Panda REs in Bitwig though. They are so great.

nostalgic · Post by **nostalgic** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:34 am

gentleclockdivider wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:53 am
Why do you think the other players are playing catch -up , apart from ableton ?

Bitwig is leading in innovation and technological advancement, touchscreen, resizing, modular, routing, sound design, clip launch and linear abilities together, live and performance usage, good cpu performance, stable code, beautiful GUI, included effects and macro abilities, price for value and leading team for design and operations.

I can't see as much growth potential in any of the other competitors, except more of the same. Bitwig was built from the ground up to be expansive and evolving. The rest are stuck in 1990's code and the old school ways of doing things. And still rely on 3rd party help...

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:24 am

The glazed eye of the fanatic. Catching up with what?

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:47 am

I'm not naming names in previous pages but somehow a few people know what it means. So it served the purpose.

Noumena · Post by **Noumena** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:10 am

meh. you guys.

reggie1979 · Post by **reggie1979** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:12 am

OMG, people, stop bitching at each other. Learn to enjoy what works for one doesn't have to for another. No need for all the vitriol.

Reefius · Post by **Reefius** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:37 am

These fanboys are so funny, it almost looks like they're getting paid to promote Bitwig

Cyoon · Post by **Cyoon** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:57 am

or the haters get paid by Ableton

At least they do have quite some more employees available..

moss · Post by **moss** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:19 am

BONES wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:21 am I spent a month or so with the free 8-track version of Bitwig that came with my Roli Seaboard, which AFAIK is the only demo version available and is anything but a "full" version.

You can simply download the full version for testing. Only project-Save disabled (but you can save clips).

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:11 am

BONES wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:21 am
SLiC wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:43 pmWhy would anyone buy an instrument based on what ‘other people’ think of the sound when there is a full demo that lets you hear and try before you buy?
Because some of us need to get things done and can't spend 6 months fully evaluating each piece of software we may want to use.

8000 plus posts on KVR and you posting on a thread for software you don’t even use or like...don’t know how you get anything done

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:32 am

nostalgic wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:34 am
gentleclockdivider wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:53 am
Why do you think the other players are playing catch -up , apart from ableton ?
Bitwig is leading in innovation and technological advancement, touchscreen, resizing, modular, routing, sound design, clip launch and linear abilities together, live and performance usage, good cpu performance, stable code, beautiful GUI, included effects and macro abilities, price for value and leading team for design and operations.

I can't see as much growth potential in any of the other competitors, except more of the same. Bitwig was built from the ground up to be expansive and evolving. The rest are stuck in 1990's code and the old school ways of doing things. And still rely on 3rd party help...

Those are valid points , and no doubt that bitwig is ahead of the curve in many aspects .
The fact that everything is done in house doesn't mean it is better ( quality of the dsp algo's) ,except for the integrated modulation system which is unique .
I still prefer renoise+reaktor combo over the bitwig ''all in package ''

dellboy · Post by **dellboy** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:40 am

SLiC wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:43 pm
Glad Cubase is working for you, I have been using it for 15 years, I find Bitwig far more interesting currently, but I only do this for fun, I use what puts a smile on my face, and that isn’t Cubase anymore.

You have summed it up nicely.

Bitwig is a fun DAW.

But I see you still own Cubase 10 if you ever decide to get serious.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:11 am

gentleclockdivider wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:32 am Those are valid points , and no doubt that bitwig is ahead of the curve in many aspects .
The fact that everything is done in house doesn't mean it is better ( quality of the dsp algo's) ,except for the integrated modulation system which is unique .
I still prefer renoise+reaktor combo over the bitwig ''all in package ''

Reaktor and Max for Live are both far more powerful than Bitwig's Grid. But the thing is, having had both of those for years, I never once made anything in them. Way too complicated. Without a manual or any help, I was making interesting stuff with Bitwig's Grid in the first hour and not needing a huge mass of wires either.

Reaktor Blocks/Racks doesn't require coding to patch something, though still rather clumsy compared to the Grid workflow. And of course it is mono only.

I agree, everything being done in house does not mean better DSP algo's... but what it does mean is better integration. Bitwig modulation is per voice. Any synth structure made in the Grid automatically supports MPE, voice stacking and has polyphony and is multi-core... so I can make a synth in the Grid and easily play 16 or more voices. It has a solid preset system and with the remote pages works well with midi controllers.

Bitwig Studio 3 gets 10 out of 10 from MusicTech Review