The "NEW" Plugin Alliance?

[yehboy1]

Can we set up a fund for the families?

[simmo75]

Holy f**k!
PA have actually lost the plot!

[cturner]

...and how I was slagged as a customer in private internal emails which were accidentally sent to me.

WOW

[samsam]

All the PA devs discussing with Dirk: "Yeah, go for it, sounds great!"

KVR: @#!?!#@!?

[kmonkey]

Holy f**k!
PA have actually lost the plot!

Totally!!!

But please remember what Dirk said:

They have responsibility to their employees and partners oh and their families.

Like we are goddamn milking cows which doesn't have responsibility with money - to our own families

What a co*** way to ask for money.

[perpetual3]

...and how I was slagged as a customer in private internal emails which were accidentally sent to me.

WOW

I know, but you wouldn’t believe how common it is.

Without boring you with details, I managed a small business. Upon commencing management, I witnessed the owner and an employee (her friend, hired because of that fact) ridiculing a customer who had just paid for a new membership to our service.

I told the owner how dangerous this kind of behavior is. She didn’t really care, seemed to think another customer was just around the corner (the irony is she insisted on referring to customers as clients, even though she she wouldn’t afford them that respect herself). Sure enough, within 3 years the business folded because the minute a more affordable option entered the market (undercutting our prices by more the 75% - sound similar to this plugin race to the bottom) there was a mass exodus of customers for the newer cheaper option.

Prior, as an attorney, I frequently heard general and managing partners ridicule clients. Sure, some of the clients were very difficult to deal with, but in my mind they were dealing with very difficult issues and paying us a tremendous amount of money with not much of a visible return, and in many cases outright failure. They were small firms that no longer exist...

[lwj]

Have we cleared up what happens to your owned plugins if you go for the subscription yet?

[perpetual3]

Holy f**k!
PA have actually lost the plot!

Totally!!!

But please remember what Dirk said:

They have responsibility to their employees and partners oh and their families.

Like we are goddamn milking cows which doesn't have responsibility with money - to our own families

What a co*** way to ask for money.

Like I said, if a business has to make such an emotional appeal, then the business is not sustainable.

Some people hate on some small, one man dev shops here, but they need to make money and thus must prioritize their work for larger corporations. But at least they aren’t making bs emotional appeals to justify their unfriendly and downright unethical business practices.

[DJMaytag]

RE: “subscribe and not actually own anything”

How many plugins do you own outright that have become useless due to not being updated because the company folded?

While a subscription might not make long term financial sense compared to buying outright, I’d like to ensure PA sticks around long enough to support VST4, macOS 11, etc., so in that regard... the subscription makes sense to me.

If they had made it like Roland Cloud, where you get to pick one plugin per year to keep in perpetuity, then there would probably be ZERO complaints about this subscription model.

[cptgone]

Have we cleared up what happens to your owned plugins if you go for the subscription yet?

Those can be sold for a few bucks, if you pay PA $20 per plugin. The deal of a lifetime!

[Unaspected]

Have we cleared up what happens to your owned plugins if you go for the subscription yet?

Well. You'd think you've made a profit on resale value.

[simmo75]

RE: “subscribe and not actually own anything”

How many plugins do you own outright that have become useless due to not being updated because the company folded?

While a subscription might not make long term financial sense compared to buying outright, I’d like to ensure PA sticks around long enough to support VST4, macOS 11, etc., so in that regard... the subscription makes sense to me.

If they had made it like Roland Cloud, where you get to pick one plugin per year to keep in perpetuity, then there would probably be ZERO complaints about this subscription model.

Apart from the actual price of the subscription..

[lwj]

if you can actually resell them... might be that the subscription just adds time limited licenses for the plugins you don't own yet?

edit: when I make dick moves I tend to go all the way

[cturner]

I know, but you wouldn’t believe how common it is.

Thanks for the post. One believes these things happen, but when there’s actual evidence, it does make you sit up.

Plus there’s the typical PA “seat-of-the-pants” aspect to this: where, like the screw up with voucher codes this morning, proof was accidentally sent to poor @plexuss!

[cptgone]

RE: “subscribe and not actually own anything”

How many plugins do you own outright that have become useless due to not being updated because the company folded?

A plugin one owns MAY indeed become useless - but a finite subscription SHALL become useless, as soon as you kick that habit.