Hammers are indeed different and for good reason. Compressors are indeed different and for good reason.Liero wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:05 pmThis is one of the oldest, most common misconceptions with beginners and it rears its head around here all the time... I don't really know where it's coming from.ramseysounds wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:17 pm What do you mean ‘for dance’?
An LA-2A and 1176 is just that
"What's the best hammer for nails?"
Best 1176 and La-2A plugins for dance?
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- KVRAF
- 1858 posts since 26 Nov, 2018
- Banned
- 7624 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway
https://audiotools.se/downloads/leveling-tool/
Or
https://www.google.com/amp/s/varietyofs ... today/amp/
Or
https://www.google.com/amp/s/varietyofs ... today/amp/
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- KVRian
- 1181 posts since 27 May, 2008
IKMultimedia white compressor LA2A
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- KVRAF
- 2375 posts since 12 Nov, 2014
There’s lots of good emulations out there at the end of the day an 1176 is an 1176, an LA-2A is an LA-2A. The genre really has nothing to do with it, not in this instance. IK, Slate, Waves, take your pick.
Where the genre fits in is just what on and how you use these compressors. For dance I’d be looking at other solutions too, like modern VCAs for example. Red 3, dbx 160/165, mpressor, BSS DPR-402, etc. Compressors like this tend to compliment electronic music quite a lot.
Where the genre fits in is just what on and how you use these compressors. For dance I’d be looking at other solutions too, like modern VCAs for example. Red 3, dbx 160/165, mpressor, BSS DPR-402, etc. Compressors like this tend to compliment electronic music quite a lot.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2402 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
Thanks everyone.
I’ll take my time demoing all the plugins mentioned here. Really appreciate the feedback.
I’ll take my time demoing all the plugins mentioned here. Really appreciate the feedback.
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- KVRian
- 697 posts since 13 Mar, 2017
I'm a little confused about compression and electronic music. If I watch a video on EDM production, for example, they will use lots of compression. But then I read everywhere that most electronic sounds (drum samples, etc) are already compressed and so don't need it.
Which is it?
EDIT: just did some googling and saw this GS thread that talks alot about why compression is used in electronic music.
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... e-edm.html
Which is it?
EDIT: just did some googling and saw this GS thread that talks alot about why compression is used in electronic music.
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... e-edm.html
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2402 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
That’s a good thread. I would personally listen to what Shawn Hatfield has to say about it.yehboy1 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:21 pm I'm a little confused about compression and electronic music. If I watch a video on EDM production, for example, they will use lots of compression. But then I read everywhere that most electronic sounds (drum samples, etc) are already compressed and so don't need it.
Which is it?
EDIT: just did some googling and saw this GS thread that talks alot about why compression is used in electronic music.
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... e-edm.html
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2402 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
FYI - Ended up with the BRA VLA-FET.
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- KVRist
- 224 posts since 7 Oct, 2012
Please don't carry compressors when you're going for a dance.
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- KVRAF
- 3271 posts since 22 Aug, 2012
Solid choice
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- KVRer
- 20 posts since 8 Dec, 2013
Neither of those compressors are typically used for dance - they are famous for big studio rock / pop and the originals are (generally) unaffordable for dance producers)
Hardware compressors used in hardware dance production would be mainly of the cheap VCA variety (dbx, alesis, etc)
in digital era lots of stock plugins, any given flavour of vst compression incl UAD / waves / whatever will be used.
Bear in mind that compressors are not that integral to the sound of dance / electronic production. In many cases what you are trying to achieve is punch, volume, weight, tone and the best route is actually distortion, limiting, layering, expansion (transient shaping) or EQ rather than compression... and if it is compression, multibanding is often the way to "make it bigger"
A compressor is a program dependent gain controller which (generally) reduces dynamic range. when you control the amplitude envelope of the program (ie using the envelopes in your synth / sampler) and the volume of the program is very predictable to start with (ie perfectly repeating synth / sampler envelopes) then the need for a compressor is kinda questionable.
Also vintage / emulation compressors, due to their linear threshold across frequency spectrum, will compress bass more than highs, and effectively shift energy away from bass
So there are some thoughts. I think BRA seem to be king of the emulations at the moment with uad so you've made a good choice for an accurate emulation. I use trackcomp as I'm trying to simplify the mixing toolkit - go deeper and think less
Hardware compressors used in hardware dance production would be mainly of the cheap VCA variety (dbx, alesis, etc)
in digital era lots of stock plugins, any given flavour of vst compression incl UAD / waves / whatever will be used.
Bear in mind that compressors are not that integral to the sound of dance / electronic production. In many cases what you are trying to achieve is punch, volume, weight, tone and the best route is actually distortion, limiting, layering, expansion (transient shaping) or EQ rather than compression... and if it is compression, multibanding is often the way to "make it bigger"
A compressor is a program dependent gain controller which (generally) reduces dynamic range. when you control the amplitude envelope of the program (ie using the envelopes in your synth / sampler) and the volume of the program is very predictable to start with (ie perfectly repeating synth / sampler envelopes) then the need for a compressor is kinda questionable.
Also vintage / emulation compressors, due to their linear threshold across frequency spectrum, will compress bass more than highs, and effectively shift energy away from bass
So there are some thoughts. I think BRA seem to be king of the emulations at the moment with uad so you've made a good choice for an accurate emulation. I use trackcomp as I'm trying to simplify the mixing toolkit - go deeper and think less
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2402 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
You make many good points. In my case, I am also big fan of the hyper compressed Swedish techno sound exemplified by Cari Lekebusch/ Mr. James Barth, Adam Breyer/Conceiled Project. I like that pumping sound. At the same time, I’m trying to avoid a certain “muffled” tendency I sometimes hear.peterjsd wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:16 pm Neither of those compressors are typically used for dance - they are famous for big studio rock / pop and the originals are (generally) unaffordable for dance producers)
Hardware compressors used in hardware dance production would be mainly of the cheap VCA variety (dbx, alesis, etc)
in digital era lots of stock plugins, any given flavour of vst compression incl UAD / waves / whatever will be used.
Bear in mind that compressors are not that integral to the sound of dance / electronic production. In many cases what you are trying to achieve is punch, volume, weight, tone and the best route is actually distortion, limiting, layering, expansion (transient shaping) or EQ rather than compression... and if it is compression, multibanding is often the way to "make it bigger"
A compressor is a program dependent gain controller which (generally) reduces dynamic range. when you control the amplitude envelope of the program (ie using the envelopes in your synth / sampler) and the volume of the program is very predictable to start with (ie perfectly repeating synth / sampler envelopes) then the need for a compressor is kinda questionable.
Also vintage / emulation compressors, due to their linear threshold across frequency spectrum, will compress bass more than highs, and effectively shift energy away from bass
So there are some thoughts. I think BRA seem to be king of the emulations at the moment with uad so you've made a good choice for an accurate emulation. I use trackcomp as I'm trying to simplify the mixing toolkit - go deeper and think less
As far as transient designer, I’m looking at Elysia nvelope.
- KVRian
- 1403 posts since 30 Mar, 2014
This is a great comment. Some of the strengths of the vintage hardware were in how they managed to deal with the audio signals being fed them, like John Bonham's thundering drums or Steven Tyler's banshee screams or a violinist's pizzicato. Signals that bounce up and down in volume, that attack faster or slower, etc.peterjsd wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:16 pm Neither of those compressors are typically used for dance - they are famous for big studio rock / pop and the originals are (generally) unaffordable for dance producers)
Hardware compressors used in hardware dance production would be mainly of the cheap VCA variety (dbx, alesis, etc)
in digital era lots of stock plugins, any given flavour of vst compression incl UAD / waves / whatever will be used.
Bear in mind that compressors are not that integral to the sound of dance / electronic production. In many cases what you are trying to achieve is punch, volume, weight, tone and the best route is actually distortion, limiting, layering, expansion (transient shaping) or EQ rather than compression... and if it is compression, multibanding is often the way to "make it bigger"
A compressor is a program dependent gain controller which (generally) reduces dynamic range. when you control the amplitude envelope of the program (ie using the envelopes in your synth / sampler) and the volume of the program is very predictable to start with (ie perfectly repeating synth / sampler envelopes) then the need for a compressor is kinda questionable.
Also vintage / emulation compressors, due to their linear threshold across frequency spectrum, will compress bass more than highs, and effectively shift energy away from bass
So there are some thoughts. I think BRA seem to be king of the emulations at the moment with uad so you've made a good choice for an accurate emulation. I use trackcomp as I'm trying to simplify the mixing toolkit - go deeper and think less
When I lay down 16th note hi hats for dance music, I don't need to level the volume. I need character and I need bounce. I need my kick and sub to blend together seamlessly.
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- KVRAF
- 4357 posts since 30 Aug, 2012 from Sweden
Um the one's you like the best? Or any different kind of compressor?perpetual3 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:51 pm Like the title says - best 1176 and La-2A for dance?
Or does anyone have a better recommendation?
Looking ultimate punch and weight.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2402 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
I think at this point any kind. Thanks!Daimonicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:18 pmUm the one's you like the best? Or any different kind of compressor?perpetual3 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:51 pm Like the title says - best 1176 and La-2A for dance?
Or does anyone have a better recommendation?
Looking ultimate punch and weight.