only a handful of users here are really making music.
I mean, all this hundreds and thousands of weekly second hand license transfers of top-notch software instruments are just insane. What happend to us musicians? Do we have way to many toys to play with and have completely lost our creativity and destination? Or is this even normal?
This flood of threads in the Sales & Buy forum just gives me the impression that...
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- KVRAF
- 8037 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Atlantis Island
What music?
This is a dealer forum for addicts!
This is a dealer forum for addicts!
https://sonograyn.bandcamp.com/music Experimental Ambient
https://martinjuenke.bandcamp.com/music Alternative Instrumental
https://martinjuenke.bandcamp.com/music Alternative Instrumental
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- addled muppet weed
- 111304 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
musicians are poor.
pawn shops existed before software.
pawn shops existed before software.
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- KVRAF
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
GAS victims?
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
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- KVRAF
- 35685 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Wealth.SmartCat wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:43 pm only a handful of users here are really making music.
I mean, all this hundreds and thousands of weekly second hand license transfers of top-notch software instruments are just insane. What happend to us musicians? Do we have way to many toys to play with and have completely lost our creativity and destination? Or is this even normal?
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- addled muppet weed
- 111304 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRAF
- 2298 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London
I don't follow. If we are all so wealthy why are so many of us selling plugins to fund the purchase of more plugins or recoup some cash?chk071 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:18 pmWealth.SmartCat wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:43 pm only a handful of users here are really making music.
I mean, all this hundreds and thousands of weekly second hand license transfers of top-notch software instruments are just insane. What happend to us musicians? Do we have way to many toys to play with and have completely lost our creativity and destination? Or is this even normal?
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Always Read the Manual!
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 127 posts since 24 May, 2017
Wealth is a good argument. I think a lot of us are buying software just because we have the money to spend. Even if it´s a lot of money. And after a few hours or days with testing and playing, we suddenly decide that this is not something we really need, or is overlapping with other software we already own. If you ask me, this trend is scary.PieBerger wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:21 pmI don't follow. If we are all so wealthy why are so many of us selling plugins to fund the purchase of more plugins or recoup some cash?chk071 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:18 pmWealth.SmartCat wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:43 pm only a handful of users here are really making music.
I mean, all this hundreds and thousands of weekly second hand license transfers of top-notch software instruments are just insane. What happend to us musicians? Do we have way to many toys to play with and have completely lost our creativity and destination? Or is this even normal?
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- KVRAF
- 2069 posts since 8 Feb, 2013 from Switzerland
Am I trapped in toyland? Perhaps. Personally I like less options. But I think there's no absolute correlation between having many tools and not being creative. Some are nonetheless.
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- KVRAF
- 2298 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London
I'm no going to flat out argue against wealth being a good argument, I just think there's a little more to it than that. A thriving second market can also be an indication of consumers being thrifty. Depending on where you live in the world, currency exchange rates and personal circumstances etc, a lot of software is still very expensive and for some trading on the second hand market, may be the only viable way to gain access to the high end tools they need/desire for their production.SmartCat wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:27 pmWealth is a good argument. I think a lot of us are buying software just because we have the money to spend. Even if it´s a lot of money. And after a few hours or days with testing and playing, we suddenly decide that this is not something we really need, or is overlapping with other software we already own. If you ask me, this trend is scary.PieBerger wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:21 pmI don't follow. If we are all so wealthy why are so many of us selling plugins to fund the purchase of more plugins or recoup some cash?chk071 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:18 pmWealth.SmartCat wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:43 pm only a handful of users here are really making music.
I mean, all this hundreds and thousands of weekly second hand license transfers of top-notch software instruments are just insane. What happend to us musicians? Do we have way to many toys to play with and have completely lost our creativity and destination? Or is this even normal?
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In my experience, there has always been a fairly healthy amount of PA plugs being bought/sold, but this has ramped up since the announcement of their new sub plan. A lot of people will be cashing in fund their sub or cashing out in protest. Also it's summer sale time, which again for a lot of folks is a good time to save some money on new tools and if money is tight, this could well mean having to let go of some unused/wanted or simply not relevant plugins, in order to finance these purchases. Factors such as these must also be considered imo.
Always Read the Manual!
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- KVRAF
- 2418 posts since 9 Nov, 2016
Addicts? For sure. Wealth? Maybe, but that's relative.
My sister spends more on a 10 day holiday than I do on music during a full year ( so 365 days). With no possibility to sell things off later.
Buying and maintaining a car will set you back 300 euro a month. I use my bike, so that easily pays the bills and then some.
Some people spend 200 euro on a good meal. ...
It's all relative.
A trap is that software is cheap. A good camera will set you back for 2500 euro. So you better choose the right one. For that amount you can buy 50+ plugins.
Summer sales? Sure. People sell stuff to buy new stuff during the sales.
My sister spends more on a 10 day holiday than I do on music during a full year ( so 365 days). With no possibility to sell things off later.
Buying and maintaining a car will set you back 300 euro a month. I use my bike, so that easily pays the bills and then some.
Some people spend 200 euro on a good meal. ...
It's all relative.
A trap is that software is cheap. A good camera will set you back for 2500 euro. So you better choose the right one. For that amount you can buy 50+ plugins.
Summer sales? Sure. People sell stuff to buy new stuff during the sales.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111304 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
if any of those wealthy ones would like to live vicariously as an artist im happy to take on new arts patrons.
it's a service i offer.
it's a service i offer.
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- KVRAF
- 18054 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away
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- KVRAF
- 1596 posts since 19 May, 2011 from North Carolina
I'm thinking (not as a result of any evidence, just me brain) that it may be a result of:
1) Past GAS, which is likely more prevalent among KVR peeps, who are are probably more excited by new gear than the average producer, and
2) The variety of new gear with features that overlap. What was a good purchase for someone a year ago may be rendered obsolete by something new this year (for them - not meaning in general).
I think it's more thrift; with more wealth you less likely to sell the old and just add to your collection.
It's also the exposure to gear hear on KVR, and acute awareness of differences that drive purchasing decisions that likely don't effect a lot of working producers. I'm always surprised at the older gear a lot of producers use. Someone recently mentioned still using Arturia's Mini V, whereas a lot of us here probably pounced on Monark, then Legend, and maybe picked up a Behringer Model D 'cause KNOBS, etc. Wonder how many people bought Dune, sold it for Hive, sold Hive for the latest Dune, sold Dune for the latest Hive, etc.
I think it's an active buying and selling market, which is good, as opposed to people just selling off their gear.
1) Past GAS, which is likely more prevalent among KVR peeps, who are are probably more excited by new gear than the average producer, and
2) The variety of new gear with features that overlap. What was a good purchase for someone a year ago may be rendered obsolete by something new this year (for them - not meaning in general).
I think it's more thrift; with more wealth you less likely to sell the old and just add to your collection.
It's also the exposure to gear hear on KVR, and acute awareness of differences that drive purchasing decisions that likely don't effect a lot of working producers. I'm always surprised at the older gear a lot of producers use. Someone recently mentioned still using Arturia's Mini V, whereas a lot of us here probably pounced on Monark, then Legend, and maybe picked up a Behringer Model D 'cause KNOBS, etc. Wonder how many people bought Dune, sold it for Hive, sold Hive for the latest Dune, sold Dune for the latest Hive, etc.
I think it's an active buying and selling market, which is good, as opposed to people just selling off their gear.