No More Excuses...Please Help A Wannabe Songwriter

[vurt]

Know what I just realized? I'm starting from scratch. I have absolutely NO production music in my catalog.

yeah.. It's a different mind set.

In one studio I worked, we had a room dedicated to the De Wolf library (we had the whole catalog back then , 1980's, on vinyl), there were some pieces I would use on very different productions and those pieces of music would fit .. maybe with a little slicing and dicing (tape editing )

Yes, I've already learned so much about composition, writing in blocks, multiple versions, and on and on. In some ways, it's more involved than writing a pop song.

It's an area of the "business" that gets very little recognition outside of the "insiders"... but is an essential tool in many many productions... and can be lucrative .. but ..
it is hard work.. lot of slog... numbers game... make many pieces sell few..

and, yes.. multiple versions around a theme that can fit in many productions...

Any way... most important...
ENJOY THE JOURNEY... and the challenges...
ultimately.. this is what really counts..

[wagtunes]

Another fascinating video.



And from Berklee no less.

Yes, I'm really excited about getting into this. I'm going into it with a nothing to lose attitude too. I need to have some time to think about how I'm going to attack the industry. Do I go the carpet bomb approach (write for a number of styles) or use the sniper approach (write for one specific style and try to make a name for myself in it)?

There are pros and cons to each.

This won't be an easy decision.

[wagtunes]

Know what? I'm gonna give this library music thing a shot. Worst case scenario, I'm no worse off than I am now.

So after I finish my current CD (have 2 songs left to do) I'm going to start working on my library music CDs. The article says 4 CDs a year, 12 songs each one.

Is there any place I can go to hear examples of these compilations so I have some idea what companies are looking for?

I'm going to give this a real honest effort. Worst they can do is say no thanks.

Excited for you!

bmg
http://www.bmgproductionmusic.com/us/

position music
https://www.positionmusic.com/

audio network
https://us.audionetwork.com/

gothic storm
https://gothic-storm.com/

library of the human soul
https://libraryofthehumansoul.com/
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intervox
http://www.intervox.co.uk/home/index.php?l=EN

cavendish
https://www.cavendishmusic.com/

apm music
https://www.apmmusic.com/libraries/kpm-music

dos brains
http://dosbrains.com/

no sheet music
https://www.nosheetmusic.tv/tracks

big idea music
https://bim.sourceaudio.com/#!home

omni music
https://www.omnimusic.com/

theta sound
https://theta-sound.com/

Thanks for this list. Are these like the top companies?

[wagtunes]

Okay, went to the first site...

https://bmgmusic.sourceaudio.com/#!explorer?b=6668506

just to get an example of what they offer. Didn't hear anything on this page that I can't do. Musically, very repetitive. However, it's the arrangement that changes/intensifies over time.

From a composition standpoint, this is not hard to do. The biggest challenge will be the mix and production. But again, I'm not hearing anything that I can't handle now that I have a better grasp on mixing and mastering.

Now, I have no idea how successful these tracks are going to be for this artist, but the album was on page 1 so they at least will be getting a lot of exposure. And the more sites I work with, the more exposure I will get.

Naturally I have to be aware of exclusivity or lack thereof.

[toonertik]

I this is the oldest and first and still going (100 years )... https://www.dewolfemusic.com/ and probably the most expensive library to own.
http://www.bmgproductionmusic.com/us/ is a player.. I don't know the others and maybe some specialise n certain areas..


hey, it's your new business... check them out...

[wagtunes]

Just realized something else. After I finish my current CD (I have 2 songs left to do) that will be the last music I post at Music Cafe or anywhere. The nature of this business, I can't go posting these library tracks all over the place, not that anybody will want to listen to them anyway.

I just think the whole thing is kind of funny considering how much music I post online.

And the bigger irony is, if I do make any dent in this business, nobody here is ever going to know.

Yeah, this is really funny.

[toonertik]

Okay, went to the first site...

https://bmgmusic.sourceaudio.com/#!explorer?b=6668506

just to get an example of what they offer. Didn't hear anything on this page that I can't do. Musically, very repetitive. However, it's the arrangement that changes/intensifies over time.

From a composition standpoint, this is not hard to do. The biggest challenge will be the mix and production. But again, I'm not hearing anything that I can't handle now that I have a better grasp on mixing and mastering.

Now, I have no idea how successful these tracks are going to be for this artist, but the album was on page 1 so they at least will be getting a lot of exposure. And the more sites I work with, the more exposure I will get.

Naturally I have to be aware of exclusivity or lack thereof.

Yes... note that I only joined in constructively when Library music came up...
It could well be something you could do... I have heard a few of your tracks... not my normal listening...
BUT... most of the music I have worked with wasn't what I would listen too, however, being somewhat professional...one can see ability and you can sure turn your talent to this style or that (BTW... good to hear YOU actually sing, Diva was too much sometimes, as all Divas are... )

[Russell Grand]

That sure was a quick vacation!

[toonertik]

That sure was a quick vacation!

Whatya mean... this is KVR... another dimension..
tick tock time
don't come round here
feel de rhyme
it's all 'bout de gear

[JoeCat]

Okay, went to the first site...

https://bmgmusic.sourceaudio.com/#!explorer?b=6668506

just to get an example of what they offer. Didn't hear anything on this page that I can't do. Musically, very repetitive. However, it's the arrangement that changes/intensifies over time.

From a composition standpoint, this is not hard to do. The biggest challenge will be the mix and production. But again, I'm not hearing anything that I can't handle now that I have a better grasp on mixing and mastering.

Now, I have no idea how successful these tracks are going to be for this artist, but the album was on page 1 so they at least will be getting a lot of exposure. And the more sites I work with, the more exposure I will get.

Naturally I have to be aware of exclusivity or lack thereof.

There's a ton of everything there though - from piano snips to full-blown tracks

[wagtunes]

Okay, went to the first site...

https://bmgmusic.sourceaudio.com/#!explorer?b=6668506

just to get an example of what they offer. Didn't hear anything on this page that I can't do. Musically, very repetitive. However, it's the arrangement that changes/intensifies over time.

From a composition standpoint, this is not hard to do. The biggest challenge will be the mix and production. But again, I'm not hearing anything that I can't handle now that I have a better grasp on mixing and mastering.

Now, I have no idea how successful these tracks are going to be for this artist, but the album was on page 1 so they at least will be getting a lot of exposure. And the more sites I work with, the more exposure I will get.

Naturally I have to be aware of exclusivity or lack thereof.

There's a ton of everything there though - from piano snips to full-blown tracks

I understand that this business covers everything you could possibly think of musically. I just wanted to get an example of the composition and production quality. I didn't hear anything that made me say to myself "No way in hell can I do this." In fact, I feel very confident that I can.

Of course those who have heard some of the music I've posted here are more than welcome to listen to some library tracks and let me know if they think I can measure up.

[toonertik]

I didn't hear anything that made me say to myself "No way in hell can I do this." In fact, I feel very confident that I can.

Of course those who have heard some of the music I've posted here are more than welcome to listen to some library tracks and let me know if they think I can measure up.

Ok Mr waggle_it, I as a user (ok.. ex-user) of library music
think of the user, not your self...
what could I do for the user...
What can I provide that a production could use...
Where do I focus my energy...
Do I do moody pieces.. dramatic... soundscapes... upbeat_tempo

Think and imagine where your creations COULD be used.. ))))))

[wagtunes]

I didn't hear anything that made me say to myself "No way in hell can I do this." In fact, I feel very confident that I can.

Of course those who have heard some of the music I've posted here are more than welcome to listen to some library tracks and let me know if they think I can measure up.

Ok Mr waggle_it, I as a user (ok.. ex-user) of library music
think of the user, not your self...
what could I do for the user...
What can I provide that a production could use...
Where do I focus my energy...
Do I do moody pieces.. dramatic... soundscapes... upbeat_tempo

Think and imagine where your creations COULD be used.. ))))))

Obviously that's the main goal, to make music that people will want to use and keep your creative ego out of the process. In fact, the one video said if you're looking to be creative you're in the wrong business. And I understand what they're saying. This is really a cookie cutter kind of business. The music has to be generic enough.

Question: What is the difference between production music and stock music? From the research I've done, the difference seems to be quality, with production music being of a high quality and stock music being of a lower quality.

Is this true? If not, what IS the difference?

[toonertik]

Question: What is the difference between production music and stock music? From the research I've done, the difference seems to be quality, with production music being of a high quality and stock music being of a lower quality.

Is this true? If not, what IS the difference?

I have no idea...
Maybe today there is a difference.. back when I was doing it, we just called it stock music...
maybe .. don't get hang up on silly terms...


It's late for me... 2,49 am...
so I'm retiring...
nah... never to retire...
just going to sleep...

BTW.. I'm 2/3 years on you... so retire is outta bounds...

[JoeCat]

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Of course those who have heard some of the music I've posted here are more than welcome to listen to some library tracks and let me know if they think I can measure up.

I have and that's why I think you can do it. There are some super-talents out there and people with the resources to do full-blown studio recordings, but for the most part I think they are just people who've chosen to put their effort into this as opposed to conquering EDM, etc.

To me, it's a more equitable part of the music industry in that, since you're behind-the-scenes (so to speak), age, etc. does not matter. And you're not trying to top Ed Sheeran, just do work of the caliber of your peers. You're doing that on KVR, so why not production music?