Is the Melda MTurboComp the last Compressor you will need?

[plexuss]

[snip] plexuss, I get you don't like MTC [snip]

Please do point out where you claim I said I didn't like MTC. You won't be able to, because I never said it. You are making up stuff up (again). I prefer facts. Here are the facts:

Here is the Compassion manual. https://dmgaudio.com/dl/DMGAudio_Compassion_Manual.pdf

Here are the parameters from Compassion. Compassion has 1 dynamics processor. In terms of flexibility around the dynamics processor this is a more flexible set of controls than offered in MTC:

Main Controls: Threshold, ratio, attack, release, auto-release, auto-makeup, makeup
Graphical knee response
Graphical transient response
Sidechain EQ
Threshold params: Bleed, hysteresis, ceiling, ceiling curve, depth, expander offset
Ratio params: expansion, upward expansion, upward compress
Attack params: type, scale
Release params: type, scale
Auto-release params: timing scale, short release, long release
Thresh/ratio params: analogue knee, knee
Attack/rel params: curve law, time scale, AR coupling
Shaper/clip params: shaper, attack, sustain, env follower, attack env, sustain env, max
Global params: RMS, lookahead, FIR smoothing, VCA smoothing, MS

[MeldaProduction]

So you are able to build that simple example I made? And you also add "facts are no longer facts"? Oh well, look plexuss, I get you don't like MTC, and that's just fine with me, but if you want to state stuff like that, you need to prove it, but you can't... So it's just pure hating, which I think we should leave to teenagers . Let's get back to making music, even without MTC

[nichttuntun]

Yes. Let's actually use those wonderful plugins in actual music making processes and be glad about what wonderful things they can do. And let's not forget how expansive and unaffordable good hardware was and still is and how close to it the Plugins have come these days. Having joy actually creating something with it, should be more fun than doing shootouts, comparing manuals and using oscilloscopes and analysers in a restroom

I maybe can finish my project this weekend have a great one too all of you.




PS
One thing I did wonder about is in fact the missing manual description for doing vintage style stuff, saturation and distortion in the "other" plugin.

[DrReacto]

Did somebody mention flexibility? I found this super flexible and awesome that you can apply emulation styles with the click of a button. I don't own it (yet), but I recall using the demo with MSL Buss style really imparted a full smooth compression that was exactly what I was looking for on a mix. Almost as if it imparted a 'feeling' to the track. A sound that I couldn't get with just any compressor. Some compressors I feel are better on channels vs bus (subjective claim I know) , but mTurboComp seems to be able to handle both equally well.
This is definitely on my wish list. At the time I wasn't excited about percentages being used as attack/release times but the developer explained the reasoning and it just takes a little bit get used to them like any device.
I did wish it had an auto release option though. It's nice that a lite version has been released.

[Gamma-UT]

Main Controls: Threshold, ratio, attack, release, auto-release, auto-makeup, makeup
Graphical knee response
Graphical transient response
Sidechain EQ
Threshold params: Bleed, hysteresis, ceiling, ceiling curve, depth, expander offset
Ratio params: expansion, upward expansion, upward compress
Attack params: type, scale
Release params: type, scale
Auto-release params: timing scale, short release, long release
Thresh/ratio params: analogue knee, knee
Attack/rel params: curve law, time scale, AR coupling
Shaper/clip params: shaper, attack, sustain, env follower, attack env, sustain env, max
Global params: RMS, lookahead, FIR smoothing, VCA smoothing, MS

I think you missed the point Vojtech was making. Compassion's additional controls are all aimed at tweaking compressor behaviour and are based on Dave's approach to the modelling of vintage compressors. Melda's approach is about using the modulation system to alter things and introduce concepts like hysteresis. The downside is that you have to think about how the signals interact whereas with Compassion it's about dialing in values that reflect certain compressor behaviours (though the manual leaves something to be desired on the descriptions of what they are doing - though it's not quite as inscrutable as Flux's).

Also, MTC may well not be the best alternative to Compassion in this context - MDynamics may well be the better choice to get the compression+expansion thing going on.

Wrt to "ease of use", I wish Dave would take another look at the preset management in Compassion as it's far from intuitive.

[nichttuntun]

Did somebody mention flexibility? I found this super flexible and awesome that you can apply emulation styles with the click of a button. I don't own it (yet), but I recall using the demo with MSL Buss style really imparted a full smooth compression that was exactly what I was looking for on a mix. Almost as if it imparted a 'feeling' to the track. A sound that I couldn't get with just any compressor. Some compressors I feel are better on channels vs bus (subjective claim I know) , but mTurboComp seems to be able to handle both equally well.
This is definitely on my wish list. At the time I wasn't excited about percentages being used as attack/release times but the developer explained the reasoning and it just takes a little bit get used to them like any device.
I did wish it had an auto release option though. It's nice that a lite version has been released.

I think I mentioned it by describing how many things from soft to destruction, colored to totally clean, distorted and saturated this thing can be and how extremely different the models alone are sounding. Yes it's definitely usable for all kind of material on single tracks as well as sub groups as well as on your 2 bus. I use it everywhere. It can be so gentle opto wise and softly licking some peaks like a Varimu and it can be transparent and cleaning up your mix too. And it can be the first in your face and you can totally abuse it by driving it hard and use it perfectly for parallel compression. It has a super fast attack mode if you like that for transient design or whatnot and it can do so much you won't believe it if you do not actually work with it yourself. It does all that very convincing and musical sounding. I wrote about that all, wasn't that about enough flexibility for you?

[DrReacto]

Yes very descriptive and appears to cover all the bases. Was only missing my 2 cents.

[dionenoid]

Is it the last compressor you will need ? Ofcourse not. Here's why : It is a really flexible compressor but the claims that it really emulates all those compressor models is ridiculous. Marketing bs really.

It doesn't emulate the saturation, distortion and signal path of other compressors. All it does is use Melda's standard saturation models which are the same in other Melda plug-ins. There's no real interaction between the compressor and saturation action, like in the originals it claims to emulate. Nor does it have any sophisticated tube and transformer modellling that is needed for a good emulation.

This doesn't mean that it is a useless compressor, far from that. It is extremely versatile and useful, and allows for very nice tone-shaping that goes way beyond many other compressors. But don't expect to suddenly have a Vari-Mu, Distressor, 1176 or LA2A, it just doesn't get close enough.

In the end, whatever model you use, it sounds like MTC. And this is the problem with all these kind of do-it-all compressors. Compassion and Pro-C suffer from the same problem. They can surely mimic the compression behaviour but miss that extra bit. (DMG Trackcomp does it a lot better btw, but only emulates a few models).

Conclusion : When you want to have close emulations of classic compressors, look somewhere else. When you need a versatile compressor with lots of controls, there really isn't much competition.

[gentleclockdivider]

plexuss: I'd hardly say Compassion gets even close to flexibility of MTurboComp, plus it has no sims of classis gear, but as I stated before, everyone is allowed to their opinions.

Just like you wouldn't believe that audio rate filter fm wasn't possible ( or sounded good ) in software , here you make the same mistake again .
I advise you to keep an eye on the industry and see what other developers are doing , there's a world outside melda
I agree with the poster above , melda plugins have an amazing framework and modulation capabilities , but it lacks in a lot of other areas like analogue modelling , which iirc Voitech does not really believe in .
There,'s nothing wrong in admitting saying your not experienced in that field , my 2 cents
(See filter threads )

[SeeingInMidi]

wish there was an easier way to apply upward and downward compression simultaneously.. Feature request maybe?

[ramseysounds]

To answer the original question - no it’s not. And to think otherwise is ridiculous.

[MeldaProduction]

Conclusion : When you want to have close emulations of classic compressors, look somewhere else. When you need a versatile compressor with lots of controls, there really isn't much competition.

Absolutely! After all it's not emulation, it is "inspired by the original compressors". In other words it takes the character, which is in my opinion the good stuff, but doesn't necessarily mimic the stuff like distortion (though it does quite that), noise, hum... which I don't believe is the good stuff worth simulating. And that's where you are absolutely fine to disagree with my opinion! People are different after all

[yehboy1]

Could this be the last compressor you will ever need?

Last compressor you will ever need?

It's the last PLUGIN you will ever need! It literally does everything.

[nichttuntun]

Yes very descriptive and appears to cover all the bases. Was only missing my 2 cents.

[nichttuntun]

Conclusion : When you want to have close emulations of classic compressors, look somewhere else. When you need a versatile compressor with lots of controls, there really isn't much competition.

Absolutely! After all it's not emulation, it is "inspired by the original compressors". In other words it takes the character, which is in my opinion the good stuff, but doesn't necessarily mimic the stuff like distortion (though it does quite that), noise, hum... which I don't believe is the good stuff worth simulating. And that's where you are absolutely fine to disagree with my opinion! People are different after all

Very well said indeed you both

By the way the mix is finished in its core. I just have to do the automation lanes... What a nightmare
Have a nice Sunday afternoon all of you.