No More Excuses...Please Help A Wannabe Songwriter

[jacqueslacouth]

I think this is exactly why I prefer playing live to putting yourself out there on the internet. Some drunken A-hole starts to abuse and all it takes is a solid 1 2 3 4 and you shut the f-wit down with a wall of noise!

[Mushy Mushy]

Suggestion Wags. Take it how you want. Rather than the continued spats on here (16K+ posts!) why not spend the time productively improving your writing / production / mixing skills? Just a thought.

I don't think anybody could argue against Wags' productivity. He puts out more here than anybody I have seen. The question should be quality over quantity if he thinks there are issues with mixing, mastering etc. That said, there are several ways to improve; two of which are taking more time per track, and learning via new tracks. He's doing the latter.

[wagtunes]

Suggestion Wags. Take it how you want. Rather than the continued spats on here (16K+ posts!) why not spend the time productively improving your writing / production / mixing skills? Just a thought.

I'm willing to bet any amount of money that I spend more time on my music than anyone else here.

Secondly, I just finished my last CD. I started it on April 1 and completed it on August 2. That's over 4 months to do 16 tracks. So I am spending more time on each track than I used to. Several members have even commented that my latest mixes are some of my best.

So thank you for your advice but I'm spending more than sufficient amount of time on my music and don't spend nearly as much time here as I used to as most of those 16,000 posts were long before this year.

[ramseysounds]

Spend as much time on your music as you see fit, all I'm saying is why waste even more time arguing with people you clearly disagree with.

[wagtunes]

Spend as much time on your music as you see fit, all I'm saying is why waste even more time arguing with people you clearly disagree with.

Who's arguing. I'm here having a civil conversation with people just like everybody else here is doing. Am I not entitled to that?

[ramseysounds]

Sigh. Out.

[SAW75]

I think this is exactly why I prefer playing live to putting yourself out there on the internet. Some drunken A-hole starts to abuse and all it takes is a solid 1 2 3 4 and you shut the f-wit down with a wall of noise!

Yes, it is a lot easier to "shut down" someone by name calling and implementing a "wall of noise" then it is to listen and comprehend. I think that is one of the first things a child discovers and then [hopefully] disposes of as an adult.

[SAW75]

Am I not entitled to that?

Clearly you think you are entitled to a lot.

[wagtunes]

Am I not entitled to that?

Clearly you think you are entitled to a lot.

To no more or less than anybody else here.

[jacqueslacouth]

I think this is exactly why I prefer playing live to putting yourself out there on the internet. Some drunken A-hole starts to abuse and all it takes is a solid 1 2 3 4 and you shut the f-wit down with a wall of noise!

Yes, it is a lot easier to "shut down" someone by name calling and implementing a "wall of noise" then it is to listen and comprehend. I think that is one of the first things a child discovers and then [hopefully] disposes of as an adult.

Ummm, yeh, NAH...so you think engaging some wally in the back of the venue is going to win you brownie points with the punters who come to hear you play??? You be as adult and mature as you like with your listening and comprehension but don't be surprised if you get sconned by a glass from the back of the mosh pit...what a twattish response!

I mean seriously...WTF kind of punter do you encounter where you play????

[Sindikhate]

I read only the first few pages of this thread. Stop bullying him... Whichever thread he is posting in it feels like a south park episode. XD

So Wagtunes. As I have missed what has been happening from page 10 to 56 and probably you have not signed to Sony during that time... Have you ever asked yourself, "If I was the A&R guy would I have signed this dude to write songs for our artists?". You mentioned billboard100. Do you have any idea what is on billboard 100 the last 4-5 years and do you spend enough time to know what the younger generations like at the moment to predict the next 4-5 years as a songwriter? What kind of music do you like? How trained are your ears to adapt from 70s80s rock to 90s eurodance to Taylor Swift to the newer generation of edm-hardstyle? You mentioned King Crimson at some point, a really great band. Do you think if King Crimson started today that they would become as big as back in the day? Did you ask yourself who is your competition and how can you beat them? Networking (maybe the most important thing) has been mentioned but at 61 you should have known everyone in the industry if you really wanted to make it as a songwriter the past 42 years. Do you have the social skills to get that networking machine going? What is your current networking situation? A few tracks I played from the first pages I can say that I would not sign those tracks to sell on the radio. One track started with a playful pop synth riff, then the pop drumbeat came, then you added that electric guitar much louder than it should have been in such a track (a common listener would have raised his tequilla shot and shouted SANTANAAA) and your voice and it turned like a weird al track. I bet you if you gave that idea to a young kid that knows his ableton, serum, massive upside down, he would take that intro pop riff and the drumbeat he would add some a capella, chop it and stutter it and he would finish a modern track that would have many more chances to enter billboard100. You got the skills to finish tracks, you know your way around a daw and synths. My advise would be to research where the market is at the moment, and try to guess what is coming next. Then it is about techniques. Do not forget the elitism in each scene as well. At the end of the day... Do you want all that stress in your life? I kinda never did, and had enough networking connections to release music as a solo artist (as a band with others I have a few releases). Not to mention, the cliques, the "mafia" that runs part of the industry, the way the industry is eating the artists alive, the traps left and right. What is your favorite kind of music. Choose that, practice an instrument 2-3 hours a day. Spend another 2-3 hours a day teaching yourself how to produce such music if you want to do it by yourself. Find a singer or two. But try to specialise. The people who ghost produce for many styles of music have spent at least 10 years getting to know different styles in depth. The top line writers the same. But at the end of the day is it worth it?

[jacqueslacouth]

Yes, it is a lot easier to "shut down" someone by name calling and implementing a "wall of noise" then it is to listen and comprehend. I think that is one of the first things a child discovers and then [hopefully] disposes of as an adult.

Actually, given your position in this thread so far, you seem like you probably don't actually gig and have never dealt with a hostile or at least semi-entitled puntership. In much the way that you copped out of actually getting into a song-off with Waggs. You seem to talk a big game without any runs on the board like some frightened little bitch!

[ramseysounds]

Out of curiosity I had a quick listen to your soundcloud. When you send out sample tracks to sell, promote, whatever, do you use tracks with you singing?

[jacqueslacouth]

Yes, it is a lot easier to "shut down" someone by name calling and implementing a "wall of noise" then it is to listen and comprehend. I think that is one of the first things a child discovers and then [hopefully] disposes of as an adult.

Actually, given your position in this thread so far, you seem like you probably don't actually gig and have never dealt with a hostile or at least semi-entitled puntership. In much the way that you copped out of actually getting into a song-off with Waggs. You seem to talk a big game without any runs on the board like some frightened little bitch!

And not knowing what your genre is...but if you're up for it I'll happily battle rap you on a live stream any time you like. And just to be a good sport I'll live stream battle you in any way you like...acoustic, electronic, rock....whatever....the only condition being 100% live, live streamed....fancy some fun?

[Karbon L. Forms]

A true gentleman lets his opponent choose the weapon.