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xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:52 pm

had 'primary' western music education, gave it a miss once i knew what i was doing.. so forgive. here my question -

chord progressions are described as I V IV et c.

if the key is CM, this just means 'chords built around C, G, and F,' right? it doesn't indicate anythnig further than that..

..thus the application of chords to these interval statements is an entirely seperate and distinct matter. (eg. there's no inference of.. the IV being c7sus because it's in CM..)

correct?

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:54 pm

correct

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:24 pm

nocompromise · Post by **nocompromise** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:44 pm

xoxos wrote: there's no inference of.. the IV being c7sus because it's in CM..)
correct?

Not entirely by my reckoning. There is likewise no inference that the IV chord is NOT c7sus. The chord progression is not the same as the key. ie Blues uses I, IV, V and there are plenty notes not in the progression or scale and many extended chords too.
Over to the teachers.............

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:53 pm

I=C Maj7 V=G Dom7 IV=F Maj7 .

The generic series being I-Maj7, II-min7, III-min7, IV-Maj7, V-Dom7 VI-min7 VII-min7b5

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:04 pm

cheers :D learned intervals, but no 'jazz improv' education.. as long as there's no implicit interpretation, i'm squared away.

..one of these days, after i've done it all 'the other way' (w/o convention) i'll come back and learn it.. fun to plug in to algorithmic generators..

hopefully you'll have n idea why i'm asking in a week or two! :)

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:06 pm

You could have V = 7sus4 , but not IV. Well, that is if you wanted to stick strictly to the 'rules'.

Also, might be worth pointing out that the purpose of sus chords is to resolve, so they are rarely used throughout entire bars. More often they are tied between two bars, and resolved promptly.

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:10 pm

Beardedone wrote:I=C Maj7 V=G Dom7 IV=F Maj7 .

The generic series being I-Maj7, II-min7, III-min7, IV-Maj7, V-Dom7 VI-min7 VII-min7b5

okay.. in 20 words or less then..

i'm doing a cheap & cheesy "pop music generator," and i'm wondering about instituting changes using a 'conventional pop progressions' circuit (instead of my usual nuts + bolts 'whatever does it' method)

on that grounds, what's the derivation for this "generic" series?

like i said, 20 words or less. don't kill yourself.. i am technically an idiot.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:16 pm

I
have
been
thinking
about
this
for
ages
but
havn't
done
anything
about
it.
Want
to
collaborate?
PM
me.

(19 words)

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:33 pm

Will it generate midi progressions or sound?

Looking forward to a lark!

NAD · Post by **NAD** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:33 pm

Beardedone wrote:The generic series being I-Maj7, II-min7, III-min7, IV-Maj7, V-Dom7 VI-min7 VII-min7b5

Generic?...

clueless · Post by **clueless** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:40 pm

nuffink wrote:I
have
been
thinking
about
this
for
ages
but
havn't
done
anything
about
it.
Want
to
collaborate?
PM
me.

(19 words)

oddly enough, so have I. At least, I was thinking you could analyse any number of pop hits, break them down into a formula of progressions/intervals/repetitions stick the info in one end, and out the other comes (bare minimum) a template for "another pop hit". Or, you could use the template as a modifier for that-really-cool-riff-you-don't-know-what-to-do-with.

"great fun at parties"

Dennis DeSantis · Post by **Dennis DeSantis** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:46 pm

Just to make things a little more confusing...

It's important to distinguish between Roman numerals in a lead sheet context and Roman numerals in a "classical" analytical context. Since everyone's talking pop progressions, it was fairly clear that that's what the original poster was implying. But it bears mentioning that there is a difference.

In classical theory, there are no implied 7ths. IV means a major triad built on the fourth scale degree of the key (case indicates major/minor).

Hope this helps,

glurgle · Post by **glurgle** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:59 pm

(case indicates major/minor)

does that mean iv is minor whilst IV is major? I come from some classical and mostly self taught. The last thing my guitar teacher got me to do was work out the chord progression laid out. After that I forgot everything and relearned it all by learning radio rock songs. but the case thing is something I would've easily missed at the time, and seems to make sense.

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:00 pm

hey, it's talk abou me day, my favouritest day for talking of all.. :p

not saying more about project, it's a quickie 'spin-off' from other project, nothnig serious. should be a bit of fun tho.

since my first algorithmic stuff w/ dice and paper, or building physical models in synthedit.. i try to treat emulation as 'art' more than science..

takes loads of time to analyse source data.. and biologically i've already analysed it, i just need to de-filter the data from my personal prejudices.

..so it's like.. sawtooth wave with a filter, there's a trumpet.. close enuff.. ;) always done the same thing with algorithmic sequencing.. 2 or 3 simple layers of probability and you've got somethnig that can sound complex, and might fool the listener 1/2 the time. maybe not as complex as years of laboratory analysis, but..

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