The Cloud and the Future of Plugins
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- KVRAF
- 2677 posts since 20 Jun, 2012
There's two things: subscription and cloud.
So far, when it comes to plugins, they have meant the same. Cloud has been nothing more than a fancy word for subscription payment and always only DRM model.
The main question is what value does this model offer? I see some limited use cases where subscription could be useful but personally would never subscribe for plugins. I also don't see much use cases for true cloud features when it comes to plugins. Even Adobe Cloud is nothing more than subscription model with some cloud storage features bolted on the regular programs. They get away with it because they have a monopoly position.
One of the biggest false presumptions of cloud/subscription model is that I would care about constantly released new stuff or that I would even want all the plugins from a single developer. In fact, I don't give a damn in 99% of cases. New stuff will usually just constitute nothing than useless bloat and there's usually only couple of plugins I want from any given developer in the first place.
So far, when it comes to plugins, they have meant the same. Cloud has been nothing more than a fancy word for subscription payment and always only DRM model.
The main question is what value does this model offer? I see some limited use cases where subscription could be useful but personally would never subscribe for plugins. I also don't see much use cases for true cloud features when it comes to plugins. Even Adobe Cloud is nothing more than subscription model with some cloud storage features bolted on the regular programs. They get away with it because they have a monopoly position.
One of the biggest false presumptions of cloud/subscription model is that I would care about constantly released new stuff or that I would even want all the plugins from a single developer. In fact, I don't give a damn in 99% of cases. New stuff will usually just constitute nothing than useless bloat and there's usually only couple of plugins I want from any given developer in the first place.
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- Banned
- 2288 posts since 24 Mar, 2015 from Toronto, Canada
If you had a plugin Boutique type site that had all developers and you subscribe to one place for everything?robotmonkey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:19 pm There's two things: subscription and cloud.
So far, when it comes to plugins, they have meant the same. Cloud has been nothing more than a fancy word for subscription payment and always only DRM model.
The main question is what value does this model offer? I see some limited use cases where subscription could be useful but personally would never subscribe for plugins. I also don't see much use cases for true cloud features when it comes to plugins. Even Adobe Cloud is nothing more than subscription model with some cloud storage features bolted on the regular programs. They get away with it because they have a monopoly position.
One of the biggest false presumptions of cloud/subscription model is that I would care about constantly released new stuff or that I would even want all the plugins from a single developer. In fact, I don't give a damn in 99% of cases. New stuff will usually just constitute nothing than useless bloat and there's usually only couple of plugins I want from any given developer in the first place.
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- KVRAF
- 35436 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Well, TL;DR: We will see how subscription models will pay out for the developers. Some will avoid it for ideologic reasons, and some won't have the ressources to even implement a subscription model. The bigger names surely will try it. And, to be totally honest with you, i think it will pay out for them. It's coming everywhere, and it is successful everywhere. Regardless of whether i or someone else likes it. I'm not a big fan either. But, i can see how it works for most software. Development costs money, this is a niche market, and developers have to see how they get around, and make a living.
Meanwhile, i'll backup my installers and serial keys...
Meanwhile, i'll backup my installers and serial keys...
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- KVRAF
- 2677 posts since 20 Jun, 2012
This is where I actually see some possible value. One of the problems with subscription model is that it might seem all nice and dandy but it will all quickly add up to a huge sum of your monthly income. Currently there's maybe only Waves (and maybe NI) that could cover most needs with one subscription.
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- KVRAF
- 6579 posts since 14 Nov, 2006 from Ankara, Turkey
We're releasing SynthMaster One v1.3 in a couple of weeks with "real" cloud featuresrobotmonkey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:19 pm I also don't see much use cases for true cloud features when it comes to plugins.
1. Cross platform presets/waveforms/scales/samples syncronization to store user's data on the cloud
2. Cross platform public library for users to share their presets with the others
(This is based on Google's cloud infrastructure, and we're not charging anything monthly/annually for this)
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- KVRian
- 755 posts since 29 Jan, 2017
And you're a type of company I'll always support - already prepared money for Synthmaster upgradekv331 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:26 pmWe're releasing SynthMaster One v1.3 in a couple of weeks with "real" cloud featuresrobotmonkey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:19 pm I also don't see much use cases for true cloud features when it comes to plugins.
1. Cross platform presets/waveforms/scales/samples syncronization to store user's data on the cloud
2. Cross platform public library for users to share their presets with the others
(This is based on Google's cloud infrastructure, and we're not charging anything monthly/annually for this)
- KVRist
- 235 posts since 11 Oct, 2012
In plugin world, I think it might work for a while for some of the bigger devs. And then, at some point, people will jump off some of the older ships for some new hype thingy and many sub models will experience a shrinking user base, get more expensive and finally die...chk071 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:28 pm Well, TL;DR: We will see how subscription models will pay out for the developers. Some will avoid it for ideologic reasons, and some won't have the ressources to even implement a subscription model. The bigger names surely will try it. And, to be totally honest with you, i think it will pay out for them.
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- KVRAF
- 2677 posts since 20 Jun, 2012
This is exactly the cloud features I was talking about - just some cloud storage bolted on a regular on-premise software. I personally don't care a bit about such features and I would never be willing to put up with subscription / always online DRM for such features. I just see very little value in this. I'm sure there's some who would dig this though.kv331 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:26 pmWe're releasing SynthMaster One v1.3 in a couple of weeks with "real" cloud featuresrobotmonkey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:19 pm I also don't see much use cases for true cloud features when it comes to plugins.
1. Cross platform presets/waveforms/scales/samples syncronization to store user's data on the cloud
2. Cross platform public library for users to share their presets with the others
(This is based on Google's cloud infrastructure, and we're not charging anything monthly/annually for this)
I have all your plugins and as long as I don't have to pay anything extra nor have to be constantly online to use them, I'm ok with that. Otherwise I would drop them in a heartbeat.
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- KVRAF
- 2677 posts since 20 Jun, 2012
It will be interesting to see what happens when a recession will come. If you're just an hobbyist (or even business) I'm pretty sure dropping plugin subscriptions would be first thing to do to cut down your expenses.metaside wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:33 pmIn plugin world, I think it might work for a while for some of the bigger devs. And then, at some point, people will jump off some of the older ships for some new hype thingy and many sub models will experience a shrinking user base, get more expensive and finally die...chk071 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:28 pm Well, TL;DR: We will see how subscription models will pay out for the developers. Some will avoid it for ideologic reasons, and some won't have the ressources to even implement a subscription model. The bigger names surely will try it. And, to be totally honest with you, i think it will pay out for them.
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- KVRAF
- 11187 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
My experience with subscription (Roland Cloud) is that it pretty quickly descended in to quantity over quality (lost of sample pack based stuff) as there is too much pressure to keep pushing out new stuff all the time. I would rather have less, but of a much higher quality (and pay more for that) but 'the cloud' is a marketing wet dream.
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- KVRAF
- 6579 posts since 14 Nov, 2006 from Ankara, Turkey
No you don't have to pay anything extra. We're not anticipating any substantial costs regarding this cloud feature. Google charges a fair and low price for the usage.robotmonkey wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:45 am This is exactly the cloud features I was talking about - just some cloud storage bolted on a regular on-premise software. I personally don't care a bit about such features and I would never be willing to put up with subscription / always online DRM for such features. I just see very little value in this. I'm sure there's some who would dig this though.
I have all your plugins and as long as I don't have to pay anything extra nor have to be constantly online to use them, I'm ok with that. Otherwise I would drop them in a heartbeat.
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- KVRist
- 235 posts since 11 Oct, 2012
Yeah, good point...robotmonkey wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:48 am It will be interesting to see what happens when a recession will come. If you're just an hobbyist (or even business) I'm pretty sure dropping plugin subscriptions would be first thing to do to cut down your expenses.
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- 2288 posts since 24 Mar, 2015 from Toronto, Canada
Whether a recession comes or not. It doesn't matter. What matters is whether you lose regular income. I.e. you job or jobs in a family you are living in . The odds increase with a recession but it really could happen any time.metaside wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:23 pmYeah, good point...robotmonkey wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:48 am It will be interesting to see what happens when a recession will come. If you're just an hobbyist (or even business) I'm pretty sure dropping plugin subscriptions would be first thing to do to cut down your expenses.
From my experience, cost of entertainment, dining out, going to concerts, movie theater far outstrips your cost of online services and subscriptions. A night out in movies runs about $20 to $30 per person. A dinner out at a regular restaurant like Keg, $50 to $60 per person. Off are, those will go before your Netflix subscription.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105872 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
entertainment always takes a hit during recessions, conversely local music scenes in the past have found this advantageous as people looked for cheaper entertainment.
dunno how it is elsewhere, but i domt see that happening as much around these parts as many pubs/clubs are now closed/turned in to office space/flats etc.
dunno how it is elsewhere, but i domt see that happening as much around these parts as many pubs/clubs are now closed/turned in to office space/flats etc.