Reason 11 announced!!!

[Saukar30]

My only questions on the Reason Rack VST:
1. Is it going to be multi-output?
2. Will the copy protection be the same as it is currently for Reason? So we can only use it on computer?

As for 2., the copy protection has nothing to do with using it on a computer. But assuming this works just like it does in Reason DAW proper, the copy protection does allow you to install and use it on as many computers as you want, just so long as you're only running 1 instance of Reason at a time.

Cool, Thanks. it just helps to know these kind of things. Also... are the new fx (chorus, sweeper, channel fx, etc) available in the Intro version as well? I would really like to use this just for the instruments & fx with my existing DAWS. I've always loved he "sound" of Reason, just not how it was all in 1 rack. Hopefully, the VST3 thing won't be a problem with Wusik X42 being a permanent wrapper for it. The Full version is kind of pricey plus I have enough instruments/fx already, but the intro version would be a nice addition to Komplete.

[THE INTRANCER]

And I don't see any resemblance between acid and reason

Me neither (not much anyway), aside from the primitiveness of that feature list, which I was just casually making fun of. Judging from that list alone, I'd probably be in a mental institution if I had been using Reason for what I do.

Then again, the word is that Propellerhead started caring about MIDI editing relatively late in the game, which probably says something about Reason users - whereas Acid had simply been abandoned by Sony for many years, which probably only says something about Sony's priorities.

Honestly, I still don't really know what the average Reason user is like, i.e. who is it made for. Last I tried that software was in ca. 2003, and I found nothing to like about it - granted that it was in part due to my own ineptitude, but the inconvenient pixel rack of skeuomorphic modules and the extremely off-putting manual "wiring" between them seemed to be the thing. That's how far I could see back then, and that vision hasn't changed much.

If anyone could explain however briefly why they like working in Reason or what it truly excels at, I'd appreciate it. My amusement about the "feature" update list is genuine. That is some very basic functionality, and this is not 2003! What does Propellerhead do so well, that they have survived to this day?

I went from Reason 1.0 to 7.02, so May 2001 up to Nov 2014, where I jumped off the ship and onto Studio One. It was my primary DAW, and I bought some 12 RE's to bring in some equivalent VST into the eco-system with a hope in that the rack would develop beyond the restrictions which it was born with and that RE's as well as native devices would scale to accommodate screen resolutions. After 2 years, it was clear that this wasn't going to happen anytime soon.

I stuck with Reason because it was very stable (a least until RE's made their appearance) and it was really the only DAW where a native modular routing system existed within a self contained environment, that looked attractive and was easy to understand. In essence it was different, a bespoke system designed for electronic artists from the outset to build and design stuff in an interconnected way.

With R3.0 came the combinator and that pretty much changed everything in 2005 which allowed you to build an entire rack and let you reload it into another song. This had the illusion of speeding up the rate at which you could create music, as of course you had to build all that stuff before hand. One of the other benefits of Reason and beyond that of other DAWs was cross collaboration with friends, and being able learn from how things were constructed, so you not only had a product, but a product that you could interact with and use in a community driven way. With the advent of RE's, audio track recording and VST's, collaborative and file sharing of songs was pretty much diminished...

What the Props are providing is pretty much like a cast off of all that... with a few exceptions. With the Rack in a VST wrapper.. it will make it easy for them to get rid of the legacy rack in future Reason versions and address core limitations in the main application that other DAWs are better at in providing.

Reason 12 or 13 is gonna look a lot different from how it has for the past 18 years.

[Airspeed]

stearine, the way I approach Reason is that it is a creative DAW (makes a great rewire slave companion for the bigger named DAW's). Reason, Ableton Live and FL Studio fit into that category in my opinion. They excel at giving you a complete set of fun and inspiring creative tools to make music but lack the advanced features found in more studio focused DAW's like Cubase or Studio One (mainly mixing and customization features). Sure, Reason has a nice mixer but because of the GUI scaling issues it's just not practical to take Reason seriously for any kind of professional mixing workflow. But if you want to quickly crank out music then Reason, Ableton Live and FL Studio focus on a faster creative workflow environment if you take the time to learn and use what's in front of you.

Here are a few youtube videos that might explain the workflow I mentioned better:

[bharris22]

I purchased Reason 7 second hand, and enjoy/enjoyed using it. I did not upgrade to Reason 8 or Reason 9 because the new "features" offered in these upgrades seemed particularly lacking compared to other DAW upgrade versions - despite the claims of the Reason community that these were significant and worth the upgrade cost. IIRC, many in the Reason community (particularly when Propellerhead had their forum going) would argue forever that opening Reason to VST would destroy everything that was good about Reason. I think it is ironic, then, that once Reason did open up to VST, the additional features offered in upgrades do indeed appear to be significant. I upgraded to Reason 10 in order to use VSTs within Reason, and will definitely upgrade to Reason 11 to now use Reason itself as a VST in my other DAWs. The value in this upgrade to me is well beyond the $129 price, as I can now use my extensive RE and Refill collections in other DAWs - it will be like I purchased a whole bunch of new VSTs and sample libraries. This is very good news, IMHO.

[ShawnG]

On the other hand, they are rioting and setting things on fire over on Reasontalk...

[Forgotten]

On the other hand, they are rioting and setting things on fire over on Reasontalk...

[EnochLight]

I stuck with Reason because it was very stable (a least until RE's made their appearance)

ScottyM, I know it's been a hot minute since you've been an active Reason user, but RE's did not affect Reason's stability - they're sandboxed. It's rare that you'd see an RE ever bringing Reason down.

Now had you said VST, then I'd agree....

[spacepluk]

I can't wait to freeze a few reason tracks!

[THE INTRANCER]

I stuck with Reason because it was very stable (a least until RE's made their appearance)

ScottyM, I know it's been a hot minute since you've been an active Reason user, but RE's did not affect Reason's stability - they're sandboxed. It's rare that you'd see an RE ever bringing Reason down.

Now had you said VST, then I'd agree....

I had it happen many times, and if they wern't bringing down Reason, you would be faced with a cardboard cut out graphic replacement.

[reggie1979]

On the other hand, they are rioting and setting things on fire over on Reasontalk...

Nah, people just are not enamored with some of the new decisions. Negative feedback doesn't mean riots

[Forgotten]

On the other hand, they are rioting and setting things on fire over on Reasontalk...

Nah, people just are not enamored with some of the new decisions. Negative feedback doesn't mean riots

Now, if they had done this to Bitwig...

[republik]

Yeah, if possible at some point, it would be great to use the Rack plugin the same way I've used Reason recently, which is to connect a player (like polystep) to a VST. The built-in instruments and RE's are great but it really opened up the possibilities to use the player with anything.

[Ad0]

I absolutely do NOT understand this. With VSTs since 9.5 I can make the most powerful Rack/Combinator configurations combining REs with VSTs. Now you say I would have to deconstruct them all and somehow rebuild them inside my other DAW - is that even possible considering I may have CV routed to VSTs in the Combinator.

It would have been so perfect to sketch out a song in Reason using my Combinators with layered synths, added FX and a perfect mix of REs and VSTs. Reason can be the best idea generator and sound design environment.

Next step would be to bring that idea into my other DAW and use the same combinator sets and work on final arrangement and add audio recordings. This would have been such a crazy good work flow using the Reason Rack Plugin this way.

But is broken even before launch - smh - I just do not understand the logic in this. Sigh, super sigh…
"no plans" I AM SHOCKED - triple shocked - not kidding… Please reconsider and get it in 11.1. You already have the RE host for VSTs - is it not really simple to fix?

THIS.
Since the introduction of VST in the rack it makes absolutely no sense to NOT have support in the VST version either. I mean come on. Everyone else does this. Plogue bidule etc...

VSTs are now a part of an FX chain inside Reason. Now I have to break that up in the VST version? Sometimes it's not even possible to recreate with 2 Reason VSTs.

[Psuper]

On the other hand, they are rioting and setting things on fire over on Reasontalk...

Nah, people just are not enamored with some of the new decisions. Negative feedback doesn't mean riots

RT had its chance to champion Reason DAW updates directly to the source when I was spearheading that focus of "Reason needs to DAW" for 2 years. None were more vocal or compelling about Reason focusing on the DAW than I was.. until Kenni and I bumped heads about it once too much for him, and I was forced to bring my brand of sense-making elsewhere instead.

Had I not moved on, I'd be pissed too, I understand completely. But the writing was so clearly on the walls and the forum-hive-tide too strong, I eventually gave up and dropped it as a DAW, shifted my efforts elsewhere, and again ended up being the right move.

The shift to Cubase was a cinch due to having multiple linear DAWS in my lifetime, and I'm looking forward to getting more value out of those years of learning Reason.

[txl]

Great news It's a good direction to stay open and let the users have more option with their products.