Reason 11 announced!!!

[gentleclockdivider]

I would be pissed too if reason was my pimarily daw , almost no love or significant updates to the sequencer .

Agree, I would be pissed too.

Racks vst even has less options then reason rewired , receiving on only one midi channel .
I must be in the minority , but reason as a rewire slave to renoise worked as a charm , just inserting multiple rewire instances in renoise for each reason HW output .

Don't agree about about rewire being more powerful than the rack.

The biggest downside with ReWire for me was that I couldn't treat Reason as an effect unit, for example to add Neptune and Alligator to a vocal track in Ableton. It could only handle midi in, audio out like synths.

What will the rack vst give you more besides an insert vst.fx ?
It can only receive on 1 midi channel .
From a pure technical standpoint , rewire is more capable , it has +1 midi input
I have never used reason's sequencer , always rewired a custom template consisting of a couple of thors and Kongs ..all having their own individual output ( for inserting vst fx ) and separate mid channel sequencer from renoise
You will have to load multiple vst-racks to do the same thing , how is this superior ?

[Ad0]

You are not limited to 1 VST instance, I guess the idea is that the rack now is 1 instrument + FX chain, or purely an FX chain.
Isn't it listening on Omni?

[borrachoruso]

Comparing to rewire - just the ability to send audio to process with reason rack is huge.
Also having multiple rack vsts allows an easy way to freeze tracks (if you use Ableton, Logic, Cubase or any other daw that has freezing tracks support) to free up resources. Right now the biggest problem of Reason is that I cant temporarily freeze tracks and all the REs are very CPU hungry.

[EnochLight]

I would be pissed too if reason was my pimarily daw , almost no love or significant updates to the sequencer .

Agree, I would be pissed too.

Racks vst even has less options then reason rewired , receiving on only one midi channel .
I must be in the minority , but reason as a rewire slave to renoise worked as a charm , just inserting multiple rewire instances in renoise for each reason HW output .

Don't agree about about rewire being more powerful than the rack.

The biggest downside with ReWire for me was that I couldn't treat Reason as an effect unit, for example to add Neptune and Alligator to a vocal track in Ableton. It could only handle midi in, audio out like synths.

What will the rack vst give you more besides an insert vst.fx ?
It can only receive on 1 midi channel .
From a pure technical standpoint , rewire is more capable , it has +1 midi input
I have never used reason's sequencer , always rewired a custom template consisting of a couple of thors and Kongs ..all having their own individual output ( for inserting vst fx ) and separate mid channel sequencer from renoise
You will have to load multiple vst-racks to do the same thing , how is this superior ?

I always found going through the hoops and ladders for ReWire kludgy, cluttered, and frankly - archaic. And having to maintain two different files for every ReWire session was just... awful.

I haven't used ReWire for years simply for this reason, and while Reason is still my main DAW, I might use it more as a plugin in other DAW just because of ease of use alone.

[antic604]

I have never used reason's sequencer , always rewired a custom template consisting of a couple of thors and Kongs ..all having their own individual output ( for inserting vst fx ) and separate mid channel sequencer from renoise. You will have to load multiple vst-racks to do the same thing , how is this superior ?

Because you can actually now use the rack as any other VST? Send MIDI to it from the track it sits on and get back audio for further processing. Actually, you get 16 audio outputs from single Rack VST, so you can send e.g. each Kong pad to its dedicated track. You also get Audio In and Sidechain In. The only thing you don't get - for now, at least - is MIDI out for Players

And you can automate any button, slider or knob of the devices sitting in Rack VST, including changing of patterns in sequencer devices.

I'd say it's pretty convenient.

[Trancit]

You guys are really crazy...

In Reason threads before everybody was screaming how shitty Rewire is and everybody was crying for a Reason VST...

Now they did what you requested and what they get now is the next shitstorm where everybody is screaming for sequencer improvements, HiRes graphics and why Reason VST doesn´t cook the coffee in the morning and bring you the newspaper to your bed...

No matter what they do, you guys are crying and crying for more and more... harder faster bigger... more more more...

Why don´t you just use for now what you´ve got???

[Forgotten]

Now they did what you requested...HiRes graphics

The UI has become increasingly more of a problem over time, and this request has been around for a long time, so they didn’t really “do what you requested”. The new features are great, whatever they are, and I think people’s frustration is mostly coming from the issues/requests that have been around for years not being addressed.

[mholloway]

From a pure technical standpoint , rewire is more capable , it has +1 midi input
I have never used reason's sequencer , always rewired a custom template consisting of a couple of thors and Kongs ..all having their own individual output ( for inserting vst fx ) and separate mid channel sequencer from renoise
You will have to load multiple vst-racks to do the same thing , how is this superior ?

One thing you're overlooking in your assertion that 'rewire is better than a plugin rack' is that Rewire means opening two different programs, creating 'sessions' in each, saving each session independently, and thereby needing to -- when wanting to load that single 'song' -- open two different programs and individually load two different song files. Maybe seems like nothing to you, but I'd say it counts as a large-deal workflow killer for many people. If nothing else, a Reason rack VST means crossover DAW+Reason Rack projects are completely self contained. I think that's a huge plus in terms of simple, everyday organization.

Then when you add in the fact that the VST rack can be used as an FX processor -- which you've acknowledged, sure, but made much too light of -- This is a huge deal. People have wanted to run SKREAM in their DAW for years!

+ everything that Antic604 posted about above, and yeah, a VST rack is much, much better than Rewire.

[EnochLight]

From a pure technical standpoint , rewire is more capable , it has +1 midi input
I have never used reason's sequencer , always rewired a custom template consisting of a couple of thors and Kongs ..all having their own individual output ( for inserting vst fx ) and separate mid channel sequencer from renoise
You will have to load multiple vst-racks to do the same thing , how is this superior ?

One thing you're overlooking in your assertion that 'rewire is better than a plugin rack' is that Rewire means opening two different programs, creating 'sessions' in each, saving each session independently, and thereby needing to -- when wanting to load that single 'song' -- open two different programs and individually load two different song files. Maybe seems like nothing to you, but I'd say it counts as a large-deal workflow killer for many people. If nothing else, a Reason rack VST means crossover DAW+Reason Rack projects are completely self contained. I think that's a huge plus in terms of simple, everyday organization.

Then when you add in the fact that the VST rack can be used as an FX processor -- which you've acknowledged, sure, but made much too light of -- This is a huge deal. People have wanted to run SCREAM in their DAW for years!

+ everything that Antic604 posted about above, and yeah, a VST rack is much, much better than Rewire.

^^ THIS ^^

[acYm]

no VST2?! Booooooo!

Booooooooo!

Booooooooo!!!

Reason is old, we want to use it inside old daws as well!

[Forgotten]

no VST2?!

It also doesn’t support 78’s or wax cylinders...

[acYm]

no?! interest fully gone.

[stash98]

If you are an Ableton user and got Suite, can you use the plugin as a MIDI or Audio VST? Just curious if you can use the Reason sequencers in plugin form to trigger either something like Kong for drums or a Reason synth.

Let’s say you can and use Reason’s drum sequencer (I love the randomization options of Reason’s sequencer) to control Kong. Does the plugin then support Multi-out to Ableton?

[Cochrane]

A little question about Reason Rack plugin: how many MIDI ports to rack devices does VST3 plugin support? With ReWire I was able to control every single rack device with a dedicated MIDI virtual port from ReWire master, so it would be useful to have same flexibility from the new VST3 plugin.

[enCiphered]

If you are an Ableton user and got Suite, can you use the plugin as a MIDI or Audio VST? Just curious if you can use the Reason sequencers in plugin form to trigger either something like Kong for drums or a Reason synth.

Let’s say you can and use Reason’s drum sequencer (I love the randomization options of Reason’s sequencer) to control Kong. Does the plugin then support Multi-out to Ableton?

I asked the same and got no reply. As far as I understand, no, this is not possible with the reason rack vst. This was the most important feature that has to be implemented with the rack version. To drive 3rd party plugins with reason players and sequencers. And exactly this feature is missing.